Toronto 325 Bogert Avenue | 86.86m | 27s | Greatwise | Core Architects

[sunnyraytoronto]

The eastbound Sheppard bus to Sheppard-Yonge subway station is usually already packed by the time it gets here. And the express bus doesn't currently stop here.

At about 1.2-1.4 km from Yonge Street, that's more than a 15 minute walk to the Subway station. That means, at 1,617 new units for 3,224-4,025 new residents (assuming typical average of 2.0 to 2.5 people per unit depending on size of units),... there's going to be a lot of new vehicular traffic! There's 1,840 new parking spaces proposed (80 surface and 1,760 below grade).

 

[WislaHD]

Does the application include a traffic impact study?

It would be interesting to read what kind of mode split they are expecting from these residents.

 

[sunnyraytoronto]

Nope. They still haven't submitted the required "Traffic Operations Assessment and Parking Study" Report yet. BA Consulting Group has been contracted to complete the Urban Transportation Consideration report. Likely to be completed in about 3 months.
http://www.bagroup.com/

In terms of transportation modes, it's interesting their development proposal includes approximately 1,399 bike parking spots,... pretty close to their 1,870 car parking spots! Well, obviously one of the selling point is,..... there's a nice little multi-use trail at EarlBalesPark along the bottom of the WestDonValley,... but to get to the valley bottom they're proposing to convert the existing informal steep dirt trail into a stairway!!!! Duh! I'd like to see this developer carry a bike up a 200 feet high stairway on the side of a steep hill!

Note: The EarlBales Park multi-use trail is purely recreational since it ends at south-end by DonValleyGolfClub and ends at north-end at Bathurst Street at Hinder's Property without direct connection to FinchHydroCorridor Trail (HydroOne owns the valley land needed for the connection to FinchHydroCorridor Trail and they're being pricks about it! It took 16 years of community advocacy to get OntarioHydro to allow a multi-use trail (paid for by someone else!) on THEIR FinchHydroCorridor), but thanks to the cemetery and local ward Councillor Filion's office there is progress for multi-use connections from the valley (Hinder's Property) into YorkCemetery.

 

[pipolchap]

1,399 bike parking is being made in anticipation that there will be more cyclists in the area. The city is planning on installing lanes on Senlac, Easton, Harlandale and Florance. I also read in the Sheppard Ave West study about cycletracks on Sheppard (hopefully to Bathurst or over the West Don Valley at least). If anybody has interest in going down the valley, just use Don River Blvd.

I've been cycling in the area for over a decade and there seems to be more and more good cycling weather these days. I've only had to shelf the bike TWO times this winter season so far because of snow!

 

[amnesiajune]

Where's that map from?

 

[salsa]

Where's that map from?

It's from the city's Ten Year Cycling Network Plan.

http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/c...nnel=981f88b7b32e9410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD

 

[innsertnamehere]

The city had a zoning by-law come into effect in 2015 I believe that requires 1:1 bike parking (1 spot per unit) in the downtown area and 0.75:1 in suburban areas.. Its been great at providing ridiculous amounts of bike parking in developments, considering developers often shoehorned in tiny, overcrowded bike rooms on the lowest level of the parking garage beforehand, resulting in a lot of people storing bikes in their unit on their balcony or something.


Also, the city is planning separated cycletracks on Yonge through NYCC in the next few years, which should vastly improve cycling safety in this area, and make NYCC a lot more pedestrian friendly.

 

[sunnyraytoronto]

The city had a zoning by-law come into effect in 2015 I believe that requires 1:1 bike parking (1 spot per unit) in the downtown area and 0.75:1 in suburban areas.. Its been great at providing ridiculous amounts of bike parking in developments, considering developers often shoehorned in tiny, overcrowded bike rooms on the lowest level of the parking garage beforehand, resulting in a lot of people storing bikes in their unit on their balcony or something.

Oh,... so that explains why the developer is proposing 1,399 bike parking spaces,.... because they have to provide at least 1,324 bike parking space for their 1,765 units (1,617 new units + 148 retained old units) plus additional visitor bike parking spaces. By the end of the development application process, this development proposal will probably get chopped down to about 1,200 units and thus, about 900 (at 7.5 bike parking spaces for every 10 units) required bike parking spaces would be the end result.

> (5)
> Bicycle Parking Space Requirements for Dwelling Units
> Bicycle parking space requirements for dwelling units in an apartment building or a mixed use building are:
> (A) in Bicycle Zone 1, a minimum of 1.0 bicycle parking spaces for each dwelling unit, allocated as 0.9 "long-term" bicycle parking space per dwelling unit and 0.1 "short-term" bicycle parking space per dwelling unit; and
> (B) in Bicycle Zone 2, a minimum of 0.75 bicycle parking spaces for each dwelling unit, allocated as 0.68 "long-term" bicycle parking space per dwelling unit and 0.07 "short-term" bicycle parking space per dwelling unit.
>
> (11)
> Bicycle Zones
> Bicycle Zones in the City are:
> (A) Bicycle Zone 1, is the area of the City bounded by the Humber River on the west, Lawrence Ave. on the north, Victoria Park Ave. on the east and Lake Ontario on the south; and
> (B) Bicycle Zone 2, includes all areas of the City not included in Bicycle Zone 1.

http://www.toronto.ca/zoning/bylaw_amendments/ZBL_NewProvision_Chapter230.htm

As per Statistics Canada census data, census tracts with high level of high density developments cycle significantly less than areas with single residential houses,.....
Interactive Commuting (Drive, Transit, Cycle, Walk) Mode Share By Census Tract: http://www3.thestar.com/static/googlemaps/100105_bikes.html

Basically all the new condo development along Yonge in NorthYorkCentre don't have enough bikes to fill their 1 bike parking space for every 10 condo units requirement (I've never seen one that's full,.... usually half full,... hey, I'm being optimistic!). And now there's a requirement for 7.5 bike parking space for every 10 condo-units? Absolutely hilarious! That's an extra 6.5 (empty) bike parking spaces the developer will be required to build,... and eventually charged to the condo-buyers. Assuming $50,000 per car parking space area,... and 10 bike parking spaces can fit in one car parking spaces via an economical double level bike rack system,... that amounts to an extra charge of about $3,250 per condo unit for the non-downtown area and $4,500 extra per downtown condo-unit.

 

[sunnyraytoronto]

It's from the city's Ten Year Cycling Network Plan.
http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/c...nnel=981f88b7b32e9410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD

The City's 10 year cycling plan is not a to-do list,.... it's only a wish-list. Especially with regards to the non-downtown area,.....

Every 10 years the city comes out with a new 10 year cycling plan which must be reviewed and updated every 5 years.

As for the City's current 10 year cycling plan map,..... cool, I see that a couple of my cycling infrastructure & route ideas have actually made it into the City's 10 year cycling plan. But even I know, realistically, there's basically ZERO percent chance they'll get built! Why? Here, let me show you the City's previous 10 year cycling plan for this area,...... I got this map from City's Transportation Cycling Infrastructure group in February 2013,..... see all those dashed lines of proposed on-road bike lanes, bike routes, bike crossings, etc,.... go along those proposed bike lanes/routes and see if you can find even one drop of road paint for bike lanes markings,.... and road paint is cheap! And a lot of these proposed on-road bike lanes/routes have been on proposals since from the City of NorthYork,.... before amalgamation! IE: Senlac, Willowdale, Avondale-Florence, Easton, etc,....

The only cycling infrastructure that got built around here are multi-use trails like FinchHydroCorridorTrail - which was initiated by a local cycling advocate and then something finally gets built after 16 years! 6 years of studies and negotiation between the City (request) and Provincial HydroOne (property owner) to get an agreement,.... but both the City and Province refused to pay for it! So guess who actually paid for it and why???



Anyone who looks at lines on a map and assume it's a done deal,... is totally delusional.

 

[pipolchap]

It's definitely not a done deal. Sure the bike plan has been in existence for some time, but it doesn't lessen the need for it. Pedestrian and cyclist culture is growing in the area and it's always good to plan for it, despite being built. The city has a revenue problem and you shouldn't be anti-planning because there is lack of funding.

Look at the DRL, it has been planned since 1910. The need for it isn't any more diminished since it hasn't been built.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Willowdale is getting bike lanes this summer I believe, so at least that is happening. less sure about the rest.. but the city recently bumped the cycling infrastructure budget way, way up, so we should be seeing a lot more stuff happen.

 

[amnesiajune]

Look at the DRL, it has been planned since 1910.

Not really. An underground streetcar tunnel (think of the Green Line in Boston) was proposed in 1910. A Queen Street subway was proposed in the 1940s but moved to Bloor-Danforth because of the post-war development boom. The DRL wasn't proposed until the 1980s.

 

[pipolchap]

Not really. An underground streetcar tunnel (think of the Green Line in Boston) was proposed in 1910. A Queen Street subway was proposed in the 1940s but moved to Bloor-Danforth because of the post-war development boom. The DRL wasn't proposed until the 1980s.

Thanks for the specifics. So it's been in the planning stages for 37 yrs and counting!

 

[amnesiajune]

So it's been in the planning stages for 37 yrs and counting!

Not really. The provincial government proposed it in 1985, but it was axed because the east end opposed it (at the time people wanted to move new development into the inner suburbs), and it was never seriously looked at again until 2015.

 

[interchange42]

1) That's enough of an oversimplification and mischaracterization of the Relief Line's political and planning history that it's ridiculous, at the same time, to be splitting hairs over underground streetcars.

2) This is not that thread for Relief Line debates anyway. If you want to get into the details, check out this thread, which has been going constantly since March 2008, half a year before Metrolinx released The Big Move (which included the Relief Line in it).*

3) The implementation of the city's developing cycling network, though delayed too, really has nothing to do with the Relief Line… but at least it has something to do with the proposal here, so enjoy debating cycling as it pertains to the 325 Bogert proposal as much as you want!

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* The thread's been going longer than that actually: our earlier software only saved a certain number of posts. There are potentially 8 years of posts lost from that thread.