I hate to be skeptical - but I will be - but unless there's money and significant political will behind this initiative it will be: 1) championed 2) press-released and 3) left to die. It can be successful, but the city's political and institutional mentality has to change for that to happen.Surprise surprise... they'll be fixing all of these issues. They will create new public realm standards for the entire city (including paving, lighting, and other elements), will rein in departments and agencies (including Toronto Hydro) to follow them in every project, will ensure developments and their POPS work together with the public realm to create a coherent and beautiful pedestrian experience, and, thank god, replace the cobras and acorns with something new.
It may be positive as one of the features in the 2022 work on Wellington is LED streetlights and the Report asking for more $$ stated that these are now approved and were not in 2021. I have no more details but Hydro and the City were discussing a standard and this leads me to think they finally agreed on one.
I don't agree that it's well thought-out but yeah it doesn't resemble reality. Based on what I was told, they're working to create one comprehensive standard with "teeth" that they would gain from Council. I understand that you have been way more involved in this than me and I thank you for caring. I know there are many reasons to be cynical but the person I spoke to is very knowledgeable of what's going down at City Hall and is very optimistic that this initiative will be the end of Toronto's poor public realm. I am also worried that the action won't match the words and that passionate people like him will be overshadowed by red tape & bad actors.The City has a very well thought-out Streetscape Manual that bears VERY little resemblance to reality and, if Toronto Hydro are to be believed, the lighting sections of it were developed without involving THSL at all. I have sat at far too many meetings with Hydro and the City and seen the silos in action (or, rather, inaction.)
Absolutely. There are far too many plans, strategies, and standards that give us hope but remain just words on a sheet of paper. It also has to be funded through the budget... that's another thing our city rarely does to the fullest extent.I hate to be skeptical - but I will be - but unless there's money and significant political will behind this initiative it will be: 1) championed 2) press-released and 3) left to die. It can be successful, but the city's political and institutional mentality has to change for that to happen.
You're welcome! Unfortunately, I didn't ask about that but @DSC got it covered.@daniel_kryz thanks for that update! Are there any news about the LED streetlight pilot from a few years ago?
That's pretty interesting that Wellington will have LEDs. The project website has this new rendering...It may be positive as one of the features in the 2022 work on Wellington is LED streetlights and the Report asking for more $$ stated that these are now approved and were not in 2021. I have no more details but Hydro and the City were discussing a standard and this leads me to think they finally agreed on one.
Your guess is as good as mine! I was actually just walking on Wellington and the work is proceeding VERY slowly! When they stopped work last year the community was promised an early re-start in 2022 and most of the streetscape done by early summer. I see no hope of that unless they get their act together and put more men and machines onto the job.That's pretty interesting that Wellington will have LEDs. The project website has this new rendering...
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If you look closely, the heritage street lights do not resemble the Victorian pedestrian light at all and the previously proposed Victorian roadway light has also been axed. In fact, I've never seen these lights anywhere in the city!
For comparison, here's a previously-proposed rendering from the SL BIA Master Plan...
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Do you think it's just a bad rendering (as in, the Victorian pedestrian lights will be used) or could this be a new street light design for St. Lawrence?
Way overdue but the key question is how this relates to City Planning's "Building Better Streetscapes" initiative and whether we'll be getting more attractive streetlights.In a report to next week's Executive Ctte the City on a Climate Action plan from Toronto Hydro, there is a push on to make LED streetlights happen city-wide.
Relevant section of the report:
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I certainly support this; but I do think its critical to suggest that this project should be not be a stalking horse to get rid of the 'acorn' fixtures in older parts of the City or to get rid of heritage pedestrian-scale lights.
This should project should:
1) Replace all Cobra-head fixtures with dark-skies friendly LED lights.
2) Re-fit or replace with like, older heritage-style and acorn fixtures with LED variations of their design.