Shipfulls of PCCs Anyone?

[andomano]

From the Toronto Archives

 

[Prometheus The Supremo]

where are they goin?

 

[andomano]

Me thinks they are the early PCCs being shipped to Alexandria - the information said the pictures were taken in 1966

 

[Cast_Member]

The PCCs were retired there during 1980-1 and replaced with newer Japanese tram cars.

 

[Prometheus The Supremo]

The PCCs were retired there during 1980-1 and replaced with newer Japanese tram cars.

i wonder where they went after?

 

[junctionist]

If they were retired twenty years later they might have made an artificial reef out of them .

 

[Prometheus The Supremo]

If they were retired twenty years later they might have made an artificial reef out of them .

i once knew a man who smoked some artificial reef. it took a month for the plastic to peel off his mouth and fingers.


p.s, i wonder if they put them in the desert? sand covers all!

 

[Observer Walt]

i wonder if they put them in the desert? sand covers all!

Yup, and a thousand years from now they could be dug up by archaeologists, who would argue over whether they were produced during Cleopatra's time, or the dynasty after her. Expect to eventually see them in the Middle Eastern antiquities section at the ROM!

 

[Long Island Mike]

Where are those PCCs headed?

Everyone- were those PCCs headed indeed overseas in 1966?

How many did the TTC retire at that point?

CM: The LRVs that the TTC obtained in the early 80s were the CLRV-Canadian built NOT a Japanese design or build-like those obtained by SEPTA in Philadelphia during that same time period which were Kawasaki built.

-LI MIKE-

 

[Redroom Studios]

i once knew a man who smoked some artificial reef.

damn, that is priceless!

 

[DavidJamesTO]

Everyone- were those PCCs headed indeed overseas in 1966?

Yeah, they retired their 1930s-vintage batch and replaced them with newer ones bought from US cities suckered into scrapping their streetcar systems (I think St Louis and Birmingham were major contributors).

How many did the TTC retire at that point?

They sold 139 of them to Alexandria in 1966; the last 78 of that batch were sent in 1968 (the latter pictures are from 1968; the ship in those photos was the one used for the shipment that year). A lot of them were damaged by sand and the Six Day War in 1967. You can see a couple more pictures in 'Not A One-Horse Town' by Mike Filey.

CM: The LRVs that the TTC obtained in the early 80s were the CLRV-Canadian built NOT a Japanese design or build-like those obtained by SEPTA in Philadelphia during that same time period which were Kawasaki built.

I'm guessing he meant the ones that were in Alexandria.

 

[Promagstyle]

PCC 4549 stored at TTC Connaught Yard

PCC 4549 Stored at TTC Connaught Yard on Saturday March 14th, 2009, taken picture taken from Minto St.

Map: http://maps.live.com/#JndoZXJlMT1Na...3ZTE4LjI4MzYwNDA3NTgwNCU3ZS0xMzUuNDM5NDUzMTI1

 

[W. K. Lis]

30 PCCs were sold in March, 1976 to Philadelphia after a fire in 1975 destroyed a batch of their PCCs.

Check out this link.

Disaster struck the already hard-pressed SEPTA (Philadelphia) system when 60 PCCs were lost in the Woodland Depot fire in October 1975. This led to immediate negotiations with TTC which concluded a sale of 30 PCCs in March 1976. These comprised all but two of the remaining A-14s, nos. 4750-4751, 4756, 4759, 4761-4762, 4765, 4767, 4772-4773 and 4779, and 19 of the A-13s, nos. 4706-4707, 4709-4711, 4718, 4724, 4726-4732, 4734, 4740-4741, 4744 and 4746. The terms were far more lucrative than the San Francisco sale three years previously, SEPTA having to pay $12,500 each for units already due for retirement plus another $15,000 for each of the 15 cars TTC would regauge before they were shipped to Philadelphia. The first cars were shipped on 15 March 1976: nos. 4731, 4750 and 4762. So desperate were their new owners that these three cars were pressed into service within days of their arrival in Philadelphia on the 25th. Three cars were to be loaded every other week thereafter until November of that year, using special flat cars with dummy trucks that had to be cycled back and forth between the two cities.

 

[wyliepoon]

The ship that took the PCCs in the first photo is Japanese. Is that in Toronto? I wonder when was the last time a Japanese freighter made a stop in the Port of Toronto.

 

[andomano]

According to the Toronto Archives, it's "Pier 28, off Polson"