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Roads: Ontario/GTA Highways Discussion

The 407 all the way to the 115/35 is now showing, but isn't it still missing the 418 between the 407 and 401?

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Again, it takes time. First it shows up on maps, then maps starts displaying traffic, and actually will direct you onto it when looking for directions.
 
I wonder just how much traffic will use the new 418 ramps (418 NB - 407 EB, 407 WB - 418 SB). There are only 2 interchanges between the 418 and 35/115. Seems expensive to enter the 407 from either of these or the 35/115 to access the 401 rather than just using the 35/115 itself. Entrance fee / camera charge just doesn't seem worth it and I don't expect the 401 to be super-congested often here... That will usually happen east of the 418.

Same goes for 418 SB- 401 WB, 401 EB - 418 NB to a similar extent.
 
Allandale25 said:
The 407 all the way to the 115/35 is now showing, but isn't it still missing the 418 between the 407 and 401?

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The text for the Kirby hamlet moved to the east near the wind turbines. The actual hamlet is still south of the interchange between Highway 407 and Highways 35/115.
 
Haljackey said:
I wonder just how much traffic will use the new 418 ramps (418 NB - 407 EB, 407 WB - 418 SB). There are only 2 interchanges between the 418 and 35/115. Seems expensive to enter the 407 from either of these or the 35/115 to access the 401 rather than just using the 35/115 itself. Entrance fee / camera charge just doesn't seem worth it and I don't expect the 401 to be super-congested often here... That will usually happen east of the 418.

Same goes for 418 SB- 401 WB, 401 EB - 418 NB to a similar extent.
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if you have a transponder there is no entrance fee / camera charge on the government portion. Just the km rate.

That drive would cost $7.43 in peak hour, and is a larger distance than you may think, at 25km. it's a similar distance as going from the 401 to the 427 on the privately owned portion, for example (which would cost $13.80, as a comparison).

I agree I don't imagine a ton of trips doing that though.
 
Haljackey said:
I wonder just how much traffic will use the new 418 ramps (418 NB - 407 EB, 407 WB - 418 SB). There are only 2 interchanges between the 418 and 35/115. Seems expensive to enter the 407 from either of these or the 35/115 to access the 401 rather than just using the 35/115 itself. Entrance fee / camera charge just doesn't seem worth it and I don't expect the 401 to be super-congested often here... That will usually happen east of the 418.

Same goes for 418 SB- 401 WB, 401 EB - 418 NB to a similar extent.
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Any sign of a slowdown and I'm taking any one of those ramps to go around if it takes me in the same general direction as where I'm going.
 
innsertnamehere said:
if you have a transponder there is no entrance fee / camera charge on the government portion. Just the km rate.
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Huh, I didn't know that. Guess that's a decent deal for any drivers with a transponder. Good call by the province to avoid that charge on their section. If 407 ETR waived this as well, I wonder how many more transponders they would sell.

For any non-Toronto area resident or transponder-less driver, I don't think I'd ever use the 412/418 to access the 401. If I am going to drive on the 407, I may as well drive as much as possible to help make that camera charge worth it. Either absorb the cost or just say screw it and use 401.
 
Haljackey said:
Huh, I didn't know that. Guess that's a decent deal for any drivers with a transponder. Good call by the province to avoid that charge on their section. If 407 ETR waived this as well, I wonder how many more transponders they would sell.

For any non-Toronto area resident or transponder-less driver, I don't think I'd ever use the 412/418 to access the 401. If I am going to drive on the 407, I may as well drive as much as possible to help make that camera charge worth it. Either absorb the cost or just say screw it and use 401.
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Maybe I'm confused but isn't the billing combined with the 407ETR consortium? So why would there be a camera charge when going from the 407etr portion to the the provincial portion of the 407 or the 412/418?

I just used the toll calculator from the 407 etr website and there it indicates that there is indeed a photo charge for the provincial portions of the toll highways. However you do not get charged a second time when going from the provincial portions to the private portions of the highway..

wrt to usage of the 412/418. I too wonder if two new highways were necessary, however I can see it being used as a bypass for travelers coming from the east and heading to the Northern GTA area especially during times of high congestion
 
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You only get a camera charge once, no matter what.

The entry charge is only charged if you use the private part of the highway.

If you have a transponder and only use the public portion, you only have to pay for the km rate. If you don't have a transponder, and drive on the public portion, you pay the camera charge and km rate. If you don't have a transponder and start your trip on the public portion but enter the private portion, you pay a single camera charge, an entry fee, and the km rate.

And seriously, just get a transponder if you live in the GTA. The monthly account fee and camera charge adds up too quickly otherwise.
 
robmausser said:
The first phase kinda went to the middle of nowhere. This phase actually is quite useful, so I dont think they are worried about low usage.
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This phase is going to be much lower traffic than phase 1.. Phase 1 is useful for about half a million people living in Durham Region, this second phase is more of a long range highway that connects with a highway (35/115) that isn't even particularly busy.

Phase 1 was free for a while since the toll infrastructure was not calibrated.
 
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