Roads: Gardiner Expressway catch-all, incl. Hybrid Design (2015-onwards)

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A couple pics looking east Saturday morning April 10th 2021
 

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so good news and bad news everyone.

1. good news, the Cherry to Jarvis rehabilitation is officially done! hurray

2. bad news, the next phase of rehabilitation (Dufferin and Strachan) was supposed to start this year but is delayed until next year :(

3. worse news is that the whole rehabilitation is delayed by 3 years now. so wont be complete until 2030.

 

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Marcus Gee has a piece on the Gardiner lauding its disappearance amid a wall of skyscrapers, and the Bentway; and pushing more 'reimagination'.


This bit from the article caught my attention

In the same area, near a newly opened supermarket, developers are hoping to build a shopping complex with underground floors. Visitors will see the exposed foundations of the Gardiner’s massive pillars. An artist’s conception of its above-ground spaces shows musicians playing, people walking their dogs and reflective shapes slung from the expressway’s underside to brighten the area.
 

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In the same area, near a newly opened supermarket, developers are hoping to build a shopping complex with underground floors. Visitors will see the exposed foundations of the Gardiner’s massive pillars. An artist’s conception of its above-ground spaces shows musicians playing, people walking their dogs and reflective shapes slung from the expressway’s underside to brighten the area.
Cool - but unlikely. Thanks for the article! I actually think Lake Shore is a bigger barrier than the Gardiner - and that's what really prevents the city from meeting the lake on the west end.
 

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No amount of "integration" of a highway can mask what a catastrophic piece of infrastructure this is for a high density urban centre.

It will be a great day when it's finally torn down. For the next few decades, we'll live with the regressive decision making of a bunch of dinosaurs on council who couldn't make a forward thinking decision even if the sky fell on their heads.
 

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Cool - but unlikely. Thanks for the article! I actually think Lakeshore is a bigger barrier than the Gardiner - and that's what really prevents the city from meeting the lake on the west end.

Agreed.

Truthfully, I'd like to see the Gardiner removed at least to the Humber; and Lake Shore reduced to 2 lanes each way from 3 (though I'd be fine with an LRT there).

If we're down to only the rail corridor being a substantial barrier, I think that would a great victory.

From there we could focus on making sure all rail the underpasses have wide sidewalks, attractive illumination, and wall treatments and physically separated bike lanes.

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Ok, fantasy over............ LOL
 

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No amount of "integration" of a highway can mask what a catastrophic piece of infrastructure this is for a high density urban centre.

It will be a great day when it's finally torn down. For the next few decades, we'll live with the regressive decision making of a bunch of dinosaurs on council who couldn't make a forward thinking decision even if the sky fell on their heads.
Don't spend too much money integrating a piece of infrastructure that will be torn down. Automation of cars and telecommuting will make the massive amount of roads we reserve for single occupancy cars unsustainable.
 

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Don't spend too much money integrating a piece of infrastructure that will be torn down. Automation of cars and telecommuting will make the massive amount of roads we reserve for single occupancy cars unsustainable.
I honestly doubt that we are going to see fully atonumus cars for awhile as no car manufacturers are even close to it yet as well no governments have given a final decision on whether or not they would be allowed. Also no body is exactly sure about whether or not telecommuting will stay for everyone or if there will be a return to offices which may be more likely then people think as it's not really convenient for everyone to work from home.
 

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I honestly doubt that we are going to see fully atonumus cars for awhile as no car manufacturers are even close to it yet as well no governments have given a final decision on whether or not they would be allowed. Also no body is exactly sure about whether or not telecommuting will stay for everyone or if there will be a return to offices which may be more likely then people think as it's not really convenient for everyone to work from home.
Cities are already trialing autonomous microtransit, it's really not far off. Tesla and many companies also have level 3 autonomous modes which can essentially drive themselves with the driver being passively aware.
 

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Cities are already trialing autonomous microtransit, it's really not far off. Tesla and many companies also have level 3 autonomous modes which can essentially drive themselves with the driver being passively aware.
That doesn't really mean much if you look at any videos that people put up of the Tesla full self-driving beta it's still a long way off and also it's only available in the US right now although Canada and Mexico are supposed to get it sometime this year. However, you have many places like the EU that have put ridiculous road blocks in the way of it because they think it's unsafe. As far as autonomous micro-transit I think it's still always off even if cities are studying it.
 

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That doesn't really mean much if you look at any videos that people put up of the Tesla full self-driving beta it's still a long way off and also it's only available in the US right now although Canada and Mexico are supposed to get it sometime this year. However, you have many places like the EU that have put ridiculous road blocks in the way of it because they think it's unsafe. As far as autonomous micro-transit I think it's still always off even if cities are studying it.
Low speed people movers are a lot closer than you might think. My workplace was piloting them for campus use.

The EU is going to face enormous pressure to enable AEVs when the technology is demonstrated to work in other jurisdictions.
 

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Low speed people movers are a lot closer than you might think. My workplace was piloting them for campus use.
There is a big difference between them being used in a private business and on streets of cities. I know that there are plans for a pilot program here in Toronto but nothing has really been announced as far as where and when it will be carried out.
 

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There is a big difference between them being used in a private business and on streets of cities. I know that there are plans for a pilot program here in Toronto but nothing has really been announced as far as where and when it will be carried out.
The TTC did announce the what/where/when. It's obviously paused due to the pandemic.
 

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I see no reason why cars won't be able to achieve FSD on freeways - many are basically already there. Local streets are more challenging though. Even freeway self driving would be completely revolutionary though.
 

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