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Proposed renaming of Dundas Street

Because municipal governments have the power to affect other countries slavery policies.
Agreed, exactly right. Municipal governments nationwide set ethical buying standards for their procurement, no reason they can’t partner with an anti-slavery NGO.

If Costco can do it, so can Toronto. If needed, city hall can press Queen’s Park and Ottawa to get on side.
 
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I am anticipating the stupid Reddit-tier names like Roady-McRoadface.

Anyways, as pointed out by some commentators in the media, this is an (expensive) dog and pony show by whites, for whites, that city council can then point to as having 'progressed equality/equity'.

It will only erode public confidence in the government, especially as we are emerging from the shadow of a very costly pandemic that has already disproportionately affected minorities across the city.
Exactly. For the most part it is whites who are agonizing over it without realising they are still painting "minorities" as one-dimensional beings. Dr Banting did not say I want to do good for white people. Queen Victoria did not say I rule for white people. The racism of today is patronising and just as harmful. Yes I grew up with prejudice - against the Japanese and Catholics, that's how white we were (family member was POW in Japan for 4 years). I also saw people who were willing to examine and discard their prejudices, no finger pointing just decent people recognizing their own short comings and trying to overcome them. Challenge yourself first not last was the litmus test for engaging in our society. Mum was a Kennedy fan, dad was a Communist and Castro supporter, you can imagine what dinner conversations were like!
 
Agreed, exactly right. Municipal governments nationwide set ethical buying standards for their procurement, no reason they can’t partner with an anti-slavery NGO.
And based on your response, I suspect you haven't made yourself acquainted with the city's procurement policies.


Again, it's not "either/or". Changing a street name does not mean that problems aren't being addressed elsewhere. It's disingenuous to keep pushing this angle.
 
This virtue signalling deflects attention from the fact that nobody is attempting to solve the actual problems.
That's the purpose of virtue signalling - deflection.
"We renamed the street! Now I can afford a house!"
Really?. Now what? Has anything really changed?
Are you any better off on a street named after an Aboriginal?
 
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As long as as we continue to get our cheap crap delivered in 10 minutes and it's sold by multinational oligarchs who pay little to no tax, who cares, right?
 
  • SHADD STREET after Mary Ann Shad, the first Black woman newspaper publisher in Canada.
  • MOORE STREET after Donald W. Moore, who fought a lifelong battle to reform racist Immigration policy in Canada, and to increase employment opportunities for the Black and West Indian communities especially in Toronto.
  • DESMOND STREET after the Black Nova Scotian civil rights activist Viola Desmond (now featured on Canada's $10 bill), was another suggestion.
  • HUBBARD STREET after the first Black man of African descent to be elected to office in Canada.
Of course the name change needn't be a shoutout to woke culture or an attempt to call out past wrongs, especially since any moniker that is politically correct today may be offensive in the future.

Since Dundas is one of the few streets that spans much of the city my proposal is to rename DUNDAS STREET to TORONTO STREET, and rename this rump street to CONSUMERS STREET. Since "Toronto" has indigenous origins we can also engage in some conveniently apt virtue signaling.
 
  • SHADD STREET after Mary Ann Shad, the first Black woman newspaper publisher in Canada.
  • MOORE STREET after Donald W. Moore, who fought a lifelong battle to reform racist Immigration policy in Canada, and to increase employment opportunities for the Black and West Indian communities especially in Toronto.
  • DESMOND STREET after the Black Nova Scotian civil rights activist Viola Desmond (now featured on Canada's $10 bill), was another suggestion.
  • HUBBARD STREET after the first Black man of African descent to be elected to office in Canada.
Of course the name change needn't be a shoutout to woke culture or an attempt to call out past wrongs, especially since any moniker that is politically correct today may be offensive in the future.

Since Dundas is one of the few streets that spans much of the city my proposal is to rename DUNDAS STREET to TORONTO STREET, and rename this rump street to CONSUMERS STREET. Since "Toronto" has indigenous origins we can also engage in some conveniently apt virtue signaling.

"Dundas Street" used to be just the "street to the town of Dundas", while "Kingston Road" used to be just the "road to city of Kingston".

Agreeing with the proposal to rename it to the "street to the city of Toronto", or "Toronto Street".
 
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"Dundas Street" used to be just the "street to the town of Dundas",
Not true.

The town was named after the street.

Edit: specifically, the street was named in 1793, and the town of Dundas was named posthumously in 1814.
 
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"Dundas Street" used to be just the "street to the town of Dundas", while "Kingston Road" used to be just the "road to city of Kingston".

Agreeing with the proposal to rename it to the "street to the city of Toronto", or "Toronto Street".
With that logic, shouldn't it be:
Dundas St. West to Mississauga St. or Hamilton St. (Dundas now being part of Hamilton)
Dundas St. East to Kingston St. (just so Kingston Rd addresses get to keep their numbers - or they can add 3000 to all Toronto Kingston Rd. addresses.)
 
Shadd, Moore, Desmond & Hubbard are almost certainly the family names of the people who once enslaved these peoples’ ancestors. We shouldn’t be honouring those peoples’ legacies as enslavers.
 
Shadd, Moore, Desmond & Hubbard are almost certainly the family names of the people who once enslaved these peoples’ ancestors. We shouldn’t be honouring those peoples’ legacies as enslavers.
So, now we have an enslaver’s name on the $10 bill? With this logic Martin Luther King and Jessie Jackson can’t be commemorated either.

Removing a seemingly bad person‘s name from the street signs does not mean we just replace it with a seemingly good person‘s name. Let’s just call it Toronto St.
 

The Holier-Than-Thou Crusade in San Francisco


From link.

On January 26, the San Francisco school board announced that dozens of public schools must be renamed. The figures that do not meet the board’s standards include Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, John Muir, Robert Louis Stevenson, Paul Revere, and Dianne Feinstein. A panel had determined that the 44 schools—more than one-third of the city’s total—were named after figures guilty of being, variously, colonizers; slave owners; exploiters of workers; oppressors of women, children, or queer and transgender people; people connected to human rights or environmental abuses; and espousers of racist beliefs.
This holier-than-thou crusade is typical for San Francisco, which in recent years has traded in its freak flag to march under the banner of brain-dead political correctness. Aside from providing invaluable ammunition to Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the more than 70 million Trump supporters whose most extreme caricatures of liberals have now been confirmed, renaming the schools is likely to cost the already deeply indebted district millions of dollars, and will not help a single disadvantaged student or actually advance the cause of racial justice. The nation’s reckoning about its racist past might have positive aspects, but exercises in Maoist “constructive self-criticism” are not among them.

The School Names Advisory Committee was created in 2018 by the San Francisco Board of Education. Although the committee of community members and school-board staff was supposed to “engage the larger San Francisco community in a sustained discussion regarding public school names,” no such engagement ever took place. The “blue-ribbon panel” did its own “research” (using that term lightly) and issued its own rulings. In keeping with the incorruptible, Robespierre-like spirit of our revolutionary times, the committee decreed that one sin (being a colonizer or slave owner, using an “inappropriate” word, and so on) was all that was required to send a figure to the guillotine. Once that decision was made, the severed heads rolled into the gutter of history. Since Washington was a slave owner and, in the words of the committee, “the majority of [Lincoln’s] policies proved detrimental” to Native peoples, the leader who won America’s war of independence and the one who saved the union and issued the Emancipation Proclamation were dispatched without further discussion. The decision to rename Abraham Lincoln High took five seconds; George Washington took 12.
The decision process was a joke. The committee’s research seems to have consisted mostly of cursory Google searches, and the sources cited were primarily Wikipedia entries or similar. Historians were not consulted. Embarrassing errors of interpretation were made, as well as rudimentary factual errors. Robert Louis Stevenson, perhaps the most beloved literary figure in the city’s history, was canceled because in a poem titled “Foreign Children” in his famous collection A Child’s Garden of Verses, he used the rhyming word Japanee for Japanese. Paul Revere Elementary School ended up on the renaming list because, during the discussion, a committee member misread a History.com article as claiming that Revere had taken part in an expedition that stole the lands of the Penobscot Indians. In fact, the article described Revere’s role in the Penobscot Expedition, a disastrous American military campaign against the British during the Revolutionary War. (That expedition was named after a bay in Maine.) But no one bothered to check, the committee voted to rename the school, and by order of the San Francisco school board Paul Revere will now ride into oblivion.

The committee also failed to consistently apply its one-strike-and-you’re-out rule. When one member questioned whether Malcolm X Academy should be renamed in light of the fact that Malcolm was once a pimp, and therefore subjugated women, the committee decided that his later career redeemed his earlier missteps. Yet no such exceptions were made for Lincoln, Jefferson, and others on the list.

In its rush to sweep historical evildoers off the stage, the committee erased much of San Francisco and California’s Hispanic heritage. Not just Father Junípero Serra, the spiritual head of Spain’s colonizing expedition, but also José Ortega, who as a member of the Portolá expedition discovered San Francisco Bay, and other Spanish- and Mexican-era figures, had their names removed from schools because they engaged in or were associated with actions that harmed Native Americans. No one disputes that every colonizing group in California, from the Spanish to the Mexicans to the Americans (who engaged in actual genocide), had a dreadful record with Native peoples. But for all its supposed ethnic sensitivity, the committee seems not to have been concerned about removing Latin figures.

Mythical entities also fell under the fatal gaze of the Purity Police. El Dorado Elementary, named after a fantastical kingdom whose fame circulated among Spanish explorers in the early 16th century and whose Goldfinger-like ruler was allegedly ceremonially covered by his subjects with gold dust, also made the list. Citing the death of Native peoples that resulted from the Gold Rush, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that a committee member said, “I don’t think the concept of greed and lust for gold is a concept we want our children to be given”—an idealistic, if possibly futile, position in a city whose median household income exceeds $100,000.

The possibility that judging past figures by the standards of the present is both untenable and ethically suspect did not, apparently, occur to the committee. Nor did the committee decide that the towering achievements of Lincoln or Washington or Jefferson might just outweigh their shortcomings. It defended its crusade as part of America’s racial reckoning. As the committee chair, the first-grade teacher Jeremiah Jeffries, said, “This is important work. We’re in the middle of a reckoning as a country and a nation. We need to do our part.”

The board’s vote drew the ire of Mayor London Breed, who blasted the committee for wasting resources on such an exercise instead of trying to reopen the public schools. “Let’s bring the same urgency and focus on getting our kids back in the classroom, and then we can have that longer conversation about the future of school names,” she tweeted.
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Wow….so San Francisco equates queer or transgendered associated names to the other “wrongdoings” on their list?! That’s like lumping in people of other creeds, nationalities, hair and eye colour. You can’t choose what you look like or your gender/sexual persuasion. San Francisco….of all places! They should know better. How progressive 😏😔…..for 1979.
 

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