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Premier Doug Ford's Ontario

Lets be real here any predictions for the next election depend on who will be the next leader for the Liberals. Doug Ford is not popular outside of his base but the policies they are implementing have been a net positive so far. Liberals need an inspiring leader to have a chance.
 
BurlOak said:
If I compare Ford to Dalton McGuinty and his first few years, then Ford looks like the best Premier ever. At this rate, the PC's would win 5 elections. Remember McGuinty promised to not raise taxes, and then brought in a Health Tax and he de-listed eye-care and chiropractor services. Although this forum leans much farther left than even Toronto, I think the general consensus is the Ford is doing an ok job.
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One destructive policy after another does not equal doing a good job.

You're just trolling at this point.
 
PinkLucy said:
The most recent approval rating I could find puts him at 35%, so no, I don't think the general consensus is that he is doing an ok job. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/12/20/doug-ford-approval-rating-poll/
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Polling seems to be scarce in Ontario. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43rd_Ontario_general_election
Most recent poll has PC's with 41.4% (and it's the larger of the 2 polls this year).
Eric Grenier has not done an Ontario poll tracker since the last election. He weight sample size and how recent the poll is.
My quick estimate would put the PC's at 40.2% using this logic.
 
I can tell that you are part of the 24% that always votes PC.

Doug's personal approval is also relatively low at this point, though nothing like Wynne's at her worst.
 
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I would have to somewhat agree with BurlOak. Ford is unpopular as he should be but I think there is not a wellspring of distaste for the general philosophical direction of the government.

The work of the Ford government is largely centred at restructuring government to cut costs. I think that is the general will of Ontarians. I personally have no problem with this restructuring excerise but remain skeptical of how effective the exercise is at generating real savings. You can argue that these savings aren’t needed if we increase the tax base but Ontario did not vote for that solution.

Personally I would be taking more draconian actions than Ford to cut services and raise the tax base. As much hay as the media is making about Ford’s government they are really not taking any draconian action. We are still living in a managerial gutless debt fueled la la land where no one is making the hard choices of increasing taxes or cutting services to match revenues with expenditures.
 
TrickyRicky said:
I would have to somewhat agree with BurlOak. Ford is unpopular as he should be but I think there is not a wellspring of distaste for the general philosophical direction of the government.

The work of the Ford government is largely centred at restructuring government to cut costs. I think that is the general will of Ontarians. I personally have no problem with this restructuring excerise but remain skeptical of how effective the exercise is at generating real savings. You can argue that these savings aren’t needed if we increase the tax base but Ontario did not vote for that solution.

Personally I would be taking more draconian actions than Ford to cut services and raise the tax base. As much hay as the media is making about Ford’s government they are really not taking any draconian action. We are still living in a managerial gutless debt fueled la la land where no one is making the hard choices of increasing taxes or cutting services to match revenues with expenditures.
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The work of the Ford government so far has been a series of cutbacks and appointments to the benefit of his business and personal friends. He has cancelled contracts, resulting in lawsuits and no doubts pay off penalties. He is systematically dismantling rules and safety regulations to protect Ontarians and the workforce.. His penny wise, pound foolish ideology does not work and will cause a downslide of services and tax increases. Ford is not an accomplished politician, who has surrounded himself with spineless people who are not willing to contradict or criticize him. He was a terror during his 4 yrs as absentee counselor a bold face liar (and not a very good liar at that)
 
BurlOak said:
Polling seems to be scarce in Ontario. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43rd_Ontario_general_election
Most recent poll has PC's with 41.4% (and it's the larger of the 2 polls this year).
Eric Grenier has not done an Ontario poll tracker since the last election. He weight sample size and how recent the poll is.
My quick estimate would put the PC's at 40.2% using this logic.
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While I don't think polls are the best way to discuss this..................why don't we post this recent poll since this is your medium of choice?


You'll find the Ontario results on page 12 and forward.

The results for the poll are as follows:

Liberal 31
PC 28
NDP 20
Green 6

A curious variant of the poll asked a different question about who you would vote for locally in a provincial race when considering your local candidates (decided voters).........

Liberal 36
PC 33
NDP 23
Green 7

I would posit that a fall off of 12 points in 8 months does not suggest a resounding endorsement by the electorate.
 
Thinker said:
The work of the Ford government so far has been a series of cutbacks and appointments to the benefit of his business and personal friends. He has cancelled contracts, resulting in lawsuits and no doubts pay off penalties. He is systematically dismantling rules and safety regulations to protect Ontarians and the workforce.. His penny wise, pound foolish ideology does not work and will cause a downslide of services and tax increases. Ford is not an accomplished politician, who has surrounded himself with spineless people who are not willing to contradict or criticize him. He was a terror during his 4 yrs as absentee counselor a bold face liar (and not a very good liar at that)
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Makes you wonder how the Libs lost. Pure incompetence.
 
BurlOak said:
I think the general consensus is the Ford is doing an ok job.
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Everyone realizes how the Liberals totally destroyed the province and accept that Ford has to do the hard work to clean up the mess.
And if we compare him to Justin Trudeau - he is doing an excellent job.
 
TheKingEast said:
Makes you wonder how the Libs lost. Pure incompetence.
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Nope, stupidity, bad choices and focussing their attacks on the NDP who had almost the same platform as theirs, admitting defeat before election (even though it was clear they would not be elected) Then continued to attack the NDP.. The result was clear confused voters and people not voting at all. No dental care, no affordable housing, no wage increase, we got meddling in municipal affairs, gerrymandering etc etc., BUT we're open for funny business, all to the benefit of Ford's friends and benefactors. .Ultimately uninformed voters who casted their ballots are to blame for handing Ford and Co the reigns of government.
 
BurlOak said:
Everyone realizes how the Liberals totally destroyed the province and accept that Ford has to do the hard work to clean up the mess.
And if we compare him to Justin Trudeau - he is doing an excellent job.
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Let me be blunt: It's truly amazing you haven't choked on your conservative vomit yet.
 
Thinker said:
Nope, stupidity, bad choices and focussing their attacks on the NDP who had almost the same platform as theirs, admitting defeat before election (even though it was clear they would not be elected) Then continued to attack the NDP.. The result was clear confused voters and people not voting at all. No dental care, no affordable housing, no wage increase, we got meddling in municipal affairs, gerrymandering etc etc., BUT we're open for funny business, all to the benefit of Ford's friends and benefactors. .Ultimately uninformed voters who casted their ballots are to blame for handing Ford and Co the reigns of government.
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Why can't Liberals just admit that McGuinty should have lost in 2007. He should have lost in 2011, Wynne should have lost in 2014. There was no way the smoke and mirrors would continue forever. The Liberals put the province in a huge hole that will take a generation to recover from. Most I talk too are upset with how bad the Liberals left things, and not the corrective actions taken by Ford. Most are also just cluing in to the fact that the architects of the Ontario disaster are the Liberal back-room boys in the Trudeau government.
 
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