Northern Light
Superstar
I should have said 'above grade'.
But I'll leave it as is so as not to confuse things!
I don't tend to have a high opinion of Morguard......
But that's neither here nor there.
We shall see how this all falls out!
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I should have said 'above grade'.
But I'll leave it as is so as not to confuse things!
I don't tend to have a high opinion of Morguard......
But that's neither here nor there.
We shall see how this all falls out!
officedweller
Senior Member
Yeah, should be interesting to see where it goes, especially since the yard is near there.
lenaitch
Senior Member
I'm certainly no electrical engineer but there is a thing called 'capacitive coupling' where high voltage AC can induce energy on surrounding conductive infrastructure. It is likely fairly easily mitigated when that infrastructure intersects at something approaching perpendicular but might be a problem when they are parallel.
afransen
Senior Member
Is a community garden worth a billion dollars for a tunnel? We have to keep things in perspective.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Community gardens can always be elevated.
Northern Light
Superstar
Of course not; but the existing proposal is already an elevated alignment; this was an alternative elevated alignment.
There was no tunnel to compare with.
I would argue there are reasons to consider a tunnel preferable here; but I'm happy to have that conversation when we are dealing with a serious proposal.
Something that I can't say the Ontario Line is at this point.
It may be.
But there's precious little evidence to show for it.
ARG1
Senior Member
There are multiple problems with this idea. Metrolinx has quite bluntly stated that the Richmond Hill Line doesn't have a future in frequent regional rail and there are multiple reasons for it. First the routing. The fact that it goes through such an indirect route through Don Valley means it isn't fast. Top speeds are significantly smaller than usual, and that's even without considering the fact that there aren't as many stops. In fact its believed that when Yonge North happens, the Richmond Hill Line will be faster to get to Union, but by a small margin like 10 mins, which for a route with barely any stops versus a subway with frequent stops is embarrassing. Second, yes you could have some cool stations in the Don Valley with some crazy elevators or something, but why? You can build as many vertical elevators as you want, the fundamental problem is that you still won't end up anywhere. You wouldn't even be able to connect to other lines especially Line 2 because Castle Frank is quite some distance from the rail. Even if you had a gondala or an elevator, you're still asking for a 200m walk on top of a 5 minute long ride. Finally, its location in the don valley means building around the line is extremely difficult. Even ignoring more obvious issues such as grade separating the Doncaster Diamond, and getting some track on the sub from CN that they desperately do not want to give away, you're going to spend a huge amount of money, on what? The Richmond Hill Line simply won't ever function as a proper regional rail line.
officedweller
Senior Member
This map from the Conditions Report shows the MSF site in black dashed outline.
There could be a shallow valley below the hydro lines to the west of Beth Nealson Dr.
so maybe the guideway could come down and follow the contours.
On the topographical map, there seems to be a short crossing distance next to the MSF yard where I've circled in red.
That would provide a shorter span bridge from the MSF yard area.
There could be a shallow valley below the hydro lines to the west of Beth Nealson Dr.
so maybe the guideway could come down and follow the contours.
On the topographical map, there seems to be a short crossing distance next to the MSF yard where I've circled in red.
That would provide a shorter span bridge from the MSF yard area.
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sche
Active Member
Just a thought, it looks like the new Liberty Village street would be impossible to fit anymore unless the station is elevated high above the street.
Liberty Village New Street Environmental Assessment
The City of Toronto has completed a Municipal Class Environmental Assessment (EA) that has recommended the construction of a new east-west road extending between Dufferin Street and Strachan Avenue in Liberty Village. The new road would be located on the north side of the GO Transit Lake Shore...
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salsa
Senior Member
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Just a thought, it looks like the new Liberty Village street would be impossible to fit anymore unless the station is elevated high above the street.
Liberty Village New Street Environmental Assessment
The City of Toronto has completed a Municipal Class Environmental Assessment (EA) that has recommended the construction of a new east-west road extending between Dufferin Street and Strachan Avenue in Liberty Village. The new road would be located on the north side of the GO Transit Lake Shore...
I also suspect that this could complicate the city's plans to build a new street here.
Liberty Village New Street Environmental Assessment
The City of Toronto has completed a Municipal Class Environmental Assessment (EA) that has recommended the construction of a new east-west road extending between Dufferin Street and Strachan Avenue in Liberty Village. The new road would be located on the north side of the GO Transit Lake Shore...
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Allandale25
Senior Member
^ I was wondering about that street when I saw the latest design. Maybe they'll put the OL above it on pillars, similar to what they'll do in Thorncliffe?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I had a feeling that the Liberty New Street was dead as soon as they proposed an above grade station at Exhibition. The area is just too tight otherwise.View attachment 270228
Just a thought, it looks like the new Liberty Village street would be impossible to fit anymore unless the station is elevated high above the street.
Liberty Village New Street Environmental Assessment
The City of Toronto has completed a Municipal Class Environmental Assessment (EA) that has recommended the construction of a new east-west road extending between Dufferin Street and Strachan Avenue in Liberty Village. The new road would be located on the north side of the GO Transit Lake Shore...
Also, where did you get that image?
robmausser
Senior Member
I feel like a street there is kind of way less important than a rapid transit line.
However, I personally feel like the station for "Ontario Place" should be more south, into the Ex grounds.
Put a Liberty station at the end of Pirandello Ave and then tunnel and go south into Ex.
Just my 2 cents
However, I personally feel like the station for "Ontario Place" should be more south, into the Ex grounds.
Put a Liberty station at the end of Pirandello Ave and then tunnel and go south into Ex.
Just my 2 cents
leopetr
Active Member
The extension of the Railpath to Strachan depends on that street being built, so the station also blocks the Railpath extension.
Allandale25
Senior Member
If I had more time (and maybe I'll get to this), I would try to use Google Maps' satellite view to map out the lines on the track plan images that were released this week. The challenge is that the satellite view hasn't been updated in several months or years so it doesn't show the current view of Garrison Crossing/Ordinance Park. Any one know of a more updated satellite view than Google's? Anyone have an interest in doing this? 