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Ontario Line (was Relief Line South, in Design)

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Hello all. Just joined and I guess I may have a stake in this new Line as my house is right at the Millwood bridge. I've been skimming over some posts but there seems to be quite a few to go through so I though I would just ask. Are they planning on building another bridge over the Don Valley just west/south of the Millwood bridge? Or are they likely to just come right across the Millwood bridge and go right under my house? Wondering if I should just sell now!!? Thanks
 

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Hello all. Just joined and I guess I may have a stake in this new Line as my house is right at the Millwood bridge. I've been skimming over some posts but there seems to be quite a few to go through so I though I would just ask. Are they planning on building another bridge over the Don Valley just west/south of the Millwood bridge? Or are they likely to just come right across the Millwood bridge and go right under my house? Wondering if I should just sell now!!? Thanks
The betting is it will go straight up Pape and out Minton Place - and then yes, just west of the Millwood Bridge.

 

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I like that bet. I should be far enough away to feel nothing yet close enough to have the property value go up. Hope it happens in my life time. Thanks for the reply.
 

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Is that private consultant Neptis by any chance? :rolleyes:
"No more backroom deals." Doug Ford, August 16, 2018

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1349341

The secret Metrolinx documents also confirmed that the province secretly hired Michael Schabas to oversee the new line and leaked details of Ford's transit plans to the Toronto Sun the day before his announcement.
🤔😅 🤷‍♂️

Mentioned by name in the article.

AoD
And so it is.
 

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Here's what I've got for the Relief Line (Yellow), Ontario Line (Orange) and Concept Relief Line (Blue).
The bottom of that blue line appears to avoid residential - so I say continue the cut-and-cover all the way down Pape and around to the East Harbour Station (or possibly just east of it). Based on the Relief Line alignment (where I have drawing), the Carlaw Sanitary Sewer is 12m deep. Hopefully, the blue line can pass over it. Then you simply start the TBM from East Harbour and go westward. This adds about 1km to the TBM length, and 1 emergency exit. But it keeps all construction underground. If you are going to add the extra distance and extra curves to avoid residences @ Eastern/Pape, why not just keep everyone happy.

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I think the orange line for the Ontario Line will likely go under Berkeley instead of Parliament. They are doing soil testing under Berkeley.
 

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I will put this here that was sent to me since I have seen BBD building this line from day one. Not the first time this BBD product has been proposed for Toronto, with the last one being the SRT and Smart Track plan.

I have been told by a source close to a TransLink manager that Alstom will cease production of the Movia Automatic Light Metro, leaving Vancouver, as the only customer, without a supplier for the proprietary Linear Induction Motor powered railway.

This has caused some sleepless nights for execs because the cars may have to be built from scratch if another company bids on supplying the cars. This means the costs will increase for an already expensive vehicle.

As one UK engineer told me a few years back; "You just don't slap a pair of LIM's on a bogie!"

Evidently TransLink senior managers have been in discussion with Alstom over this issue and the replies have not been reassuring.

I do not think provincial or local politico's are aware of the problem and for the past few years they have been denying that MALM is indeed at proprietary railway. According to the mayor's of Surrey and Vancouver, almost everyone operates them!

Huh?

Already, indications are that the cost of the the $4.6 billion build (12.8 km or 8 miles) for the Expo and Millennium Lines is rising due to increase cost of cement and special steel.

Unfortunately for the public that anarchy of the many local, provincial and national blockades over an approved gas pipeline has overshadowed any news of this here.
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Came across this video showing out of service automated trains with very short spacing behind a revenue train, which shows what the moving block system can do.

 

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Came across this video showing out of service automated trains with very short spacing behind a revenue train, which shows what the moving block system can do.

Moving block plus linear induction motors. The following train would be able to stop in time if the first train suddenly halted. This would not be the case for heavier conventional subway trains.
 

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I've seen both a train just entering dupont while the other is leaving at the same time. They would both be one car into the station.
 

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Moving block plus linear induction motors. The following train would be able to stop in time if the first train suddenly halted. This would not be the case for heavier conventional subway trains.
The Expo line in Vancouver, which uses LIM, is marketed by Thales as having a theoretical 75-second headway. Just 15 seconds more than what is typically marketed for regular steel metro trains around the world.
 

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Moving block plus linear induction motors. The following train would be able to stop in time if the first train suddenly halted. This would not be the case for heavier conventional subway trains.
That is absolutely false.

Just like a regular subway train, the ART cars rely on the traction between their steel wheels and the steel rail for braking. Their braking rates are very similar to other "standard" light and heavy metro equipment.

The short headways are a function of the SELTRAC moving block signal system, and nothing else.

Dan
 

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