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Verster on Ontario Line procurement and other Ford priority projects.


He admitted Metrolinx is rethinking the Yonge North subway extension route as currently configured, with the thinking there could be more “bang for the buck” with an alternate route.

Hmm, interesting
 
From the article:



How is OL not a radial line?

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And how is Crosstown a radial..
It’s stuff like this that really makes me doubt the whole project.

Also, if the Crosstown is a “radial line” and Metrolinx thinks we need fewer of them, They officially has no more credibility when it comes to matters of Toronto transit, because they clearly have no idea what makes transit in Toronto work.
 
Does he mean "radial" in the sense that the Ontario Line isn't a straight linear line?
If that’s the case, things are even worse. Toronto doesn’t need a bunch of meandering lines going in random directions, we already have GO/RER for that. The city was built on a grid, not a mess of streets.

Metrolinx seemingly sees subway integration with GO lines to be more important than with the TTC’s own surface routes.
 
If that’s the case, things are even worse. Toronto doesn’t need a bunch of meandering lines going in random directions, we already have GO/RER for that. The city was built on a grid, not a mess of streets.

Metrolinx seemingly sees subway integration with GO lines to be more important than with the TTC’s own surface routes.

It's not radial to the extent that GO is radial - sure (but it's a silly comparison - it's like saying YUS isn't a radial because it doesn't head all the way to Barrie), but that just meant that he is still thinking in GO mode and have questionable interpretation of intra-416 transit. And if so, why is he heading the effort to build it?

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Doesn't radial mean, routes running out from downtown in various directions. If that is the case, how is the Ontario Line any different?

The opposite are cross-connection routes that usually don't serve the downtown area at all.

I will give Doug Ford some credit, if we see shovels in the ground. Until then, it is vapourware,
 
Updates from the perspective of some residents:

Hello Neighbours,

Our Community Advisory Committee (CAC) met with Metrolinx on Wed., Nov. 27th to get an update on the Regional Express Rail (RER) and Ontario Line (OL) projects. Notes from that meeting are provided further below in this email.

It has been suggested that we organize a community meeting to answer questions and determine how to best organize our community to challenge Mx before construction begins, because these two projects are guaranteed to have a significant impact on our community. We have little more than a year before construction begins on the rail corridor, and we will need an energized and involved neighbourhood strategy if we want to be successful in protecting our homes, parks and community.

Our local CAC has had some success in getting our issues picked up by the media, but we will need to create a larger, robust Riverside/Leslieville neighbourhood coalition of businesses and community groups if we want to be successful in having the Ontario Line built underground.

We have booked a meeting room for this purpose - details are below. All are welcome and encouraged to attend!

RER & OL COMMUNITY MEETING:

December 9, 6:30-9pm
Ralph Thornton Community Centre (RTCC)
Mezzanine Level


NOTES FROM THE CAC/METROLINX MEETING ON NOV. 27:

The timeline provided by Metrolinx is attached.
  1. Construction for Regional Express Rail (RER), is now called "Go [sic] Expansion," by Metrolinx, it is the addition of a 4th electrified track within the existing Go corridor, and will begin early spring in 2021 with track bed preparation along the entire LSE Go [sic] Corridor. This means our trees and vegetation will be removed inside and in proximity to the rail corridor; the rail tracks will be bare until the foreseeable end of the RER/OL rail projects - no dates are given, we're assuming considerably after 2030. The noise walls that were planned along Jimmie Simpson park for Phase 3 of RER, are now a question due to the Ontario Line (OL). Any construction along the corridor will happen after the trains have stopped running, from 1am to 5am. Note: There is some confusion from our meeting that our section of track may not be involved in Phase one track bed clearing, and I am seeking further clarification and timing from Mx on this.
  2. RER & Ontario Line projects will be combined east of Pape: Mx is planning to now divide the RER project into two rail projects. The main RER project will be located on the tracks running east of Pape to Stouffville. The new second project will be designed and built as one project (RER and OL combined) running south of Pape to Union Stn. We have no real timeline for that, but Ford has stated in the press that he wants it tendered out by 2021. I put this question to the Mx team and they said that that date was very "ambitious." Note that Ford wants this ready to be built before the next election in 2022 and is pushing timelines ahead in the press for those reasons.
  3. No TPAP (Transit Project Assessment Process) for the Ontario Line. This is terrible loss for us and for the City. The Province has removed their own provincial Environmental Assessment (EA) requirements to be able to make project decisions faster. What this means is that they are interpreting the Ontario Line project a 'change' or an 'addendum,' to the original RER TPAP, NOT an entirely new rail project that requires reassessment, which it obviously does. The implications for us are that no studies or real environmental consultations around noise levels for combined 6 tracks, or the necessary air quality and environmental studies, will be required. Mx will simply will 'piggy-back' this new rail project onto the existing study that was completed for RER. Here are some links to the Provincial TPAP Process, and the RER Environmental Project Report, and the Guide to TPAP, if you want more details about this.
Environmental Assessment Requirements
Environmental Project Report for RER
Guide to TPAP
Please note that the final Environmental Assessment Report for RER and the Arborist Report are supposed to be released in the first quarter of 2020. We have requested another meeting to review the findings in these studies with Mx in the new year.

OTHER BUSINESS
  1. We are also trying to find a couple of legal resources to consult with us: A legal expert who deals with the provincial Expropriations Act, and a lawyer with expertise on the Environmental Assessment Act and dealing with the Province - to help advise us as Metrolinx moves forward with an 'Addendum' to the TPAP for the Ontario Line. Any leads appreciated.
  2. Don't forget about the Metrolinx Townhall on Dec. 5th. Ryour [sic] questions on the website before the meeting to get an answer. Townhall Dec 5
 
^ Have an example?
Here you go.

Page 66 of Full Business case.

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That's the Ford "GO Expansion" time window of Wynne's "GO RER" 2024-2025 timeline.
 
Why can't we bring in foreign workers?

Since we will likely have a shortage of construction workers going forward - perhaps we can have it as a citizenship pathway (vs. straight up foreign guest workers). It will do more to internalize their earnings within the Canadian economy (vs. remittance abroad).

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