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[JasonParis]

RedRocket191, check your e-mail!

 

[RedRocket191]

Uploaded for Darkstar416

 

[JasonParis]

Thanks so much RR191! I'm going to link it to the Facebok group as well.

BTW, I never said the DRL would run "under" the rail corridor, even though that's what got printed.

 

[Rainforest]

Have anyone considered taking away 2 lanes of Don Valley parkway to make room on surface for the eastern wing of DRL subway?

We are talking about adding bus-only lanes on some highways, even though a bus lane is not guaranteed to surpass a car lane in the number of people carried per hour. (That depends on the popularity and frequency of the bus route.)

Subway will easily beat a highway car lane on pph, by a factor of 10 or 15. Parking lots near the subway stations and local transit routes running to those will substantially alleviate, if not outweight, the loss of road space.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

Removing lanes of traffic just punishes buses, trucks, etc., in addition to evil commuters, only some of whom would even switch to transit, anyway (you can't just assume an equal number of punished drivers will switch to transit). If punished, vehicles will take other roads, potentially punishing TTC vehicles. A DVP alignment doesn't do as much to serve the local areas that the proposed DRL alignment does and probably wouldn't be as easy a construction job as it seems.

If memory serves me correctly, bus-only lanes are typically proposed for extra-wide suburban stretches of highway like the 403, where there's room on the shoulder.

 

[ShonTron]

Also consider that the DVP doesn't serve trip generators like Don Mills would, being stuck in a valley from Bloor to Flemingdon Park. It would be worse than the Spadina Line.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Here's my Map of the Downtown Relief Line as an express heavy rail line.

 

[toraerach]

Here's my Map of the Downtown Relief Line as an express heavy rail line.

I would stick in a station on Spadina in order to connect with the 510.

 

[W. K. Lis]

I would stick in a station on Spadina in order to connect with the 510.

If the DRL would be an express line, then the Queen and King lines would remain as local lines. If stations are placed at Spadina and other arterials, then the DRL would become a local line.

 

[EnviroTO]

I think a Spadina stop is required as well just because there are so many trip generators there. Consider 55,000 people being let out of SkyDome, CityPlace, Chinatown, Queen West, etc. Most other arterials would be transfers but Spadina would be a major origin/destination. It also doesn't make much sense to swing down to King, back up to Queen, and back down again.

 

[nfitz]

I'd stick one at Gerrard Square as well.

 

[Urban Shocker]

Yes, a Poverty Square stop would be a nice alternative to taking either the 504 or 505 down Broadview or the 506 along Gerrard each day.

 

[nfitz]

Yes, a Poverty Square stop would be a nice alternative to taking either the 504 or 505 down Broadview or the 506 along Gerrard each day.

The better reason is that it allows transfer to the very busy 506 relieving much of the downtown load into College, and would lead to better streetcar usage east of Gerrard Square, relieving the Danforth subway.

 

[Whoaccio]

If the DRL would be an express line, then the Queen and King lines would remain as local lines. If stations are placed at Spadina and other arterials, then the DRL would become a local line.

I don't see the benefit of the DRL being some kind of BART-esque express line, other than streetcar proponents love San Fran, and we shouldn't threaten the streetcar's monopoly on transit. The stop spacing of Yonge south of Bloor is ~500m, and people don't seem to mind that it isn't an "express service". So long as the average stop spacing on the line doesn't drop below 800m, there wont be significant reductions in travel time by going to 1.5km. It is ludicrous to build a glorified GO line to serve the densest part of Toronto.

 

[Hipster Duck]

wrt WK Lis' map:

1. Why would there not be a stop at Spadina or Jarvis?
2. Why does the line swing north to Queen and then down to Adelaide
3. Why do you call it a "heavy rail" line in the forum but an "express light rail" line on your map?