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Ontario Line (was Relief Line South, in Design)

AlvinofDiaspar

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There's such an opportunity to rethink urban space (i.e. closing down James Street + and part of University Avenue to create more open space) as part of the Ontario Line. The allusion to building a station entrance box on Osgoode Hall... is concerning.

Though I can understand that they have very limited choices around the area for exits (esp. on the east side) and the University Avenue redo hasn't been approved, much less actualized yet.

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There's such an opportunity to rethink urban space (i.e. closing down James Street + and part of University Avenue to create more open space) as part of the Ontario Line. The allusion to building a station entrance box on Osgoode Hall... is concerning.
Steve's point about using University Ave for the entrance instead of Osgoode Hall is a great one - could help to kick start the University Park project
 

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Steve's point about using University Ave for the entrance instead of Osgoode Hall is a great one - could help to kick start the University Park project

Though there is a problem with that as well - since the University Park project foresee shifting all the traffic lanes to the west. I don't think Metrolinx can build an entrance with that in mind and not use up any of the existing northbound lanes on University - their ability to do that really depends on the city having made the decision. Also a well designed station at the proposed spot should still be broadly speaking OK if they are careful with the design.

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From link.

Looking south....
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They could build the entrance using the current "northbound" lanes. Then cover it over with the park afterwards.
 

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I hadn't seen that proposal before. I like the idea of traffic calming, interesting road treatment, reduction of lanes and bike lanes, etc... but I would hate to see the large median removed and University Ave to become any other street. If anything I would take away the two middle most lanes and many of the turn around points and make the median even more grandiose.
 

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I hadn't seen that proposal before. I like the idea of traffic calming, interesting road treatment, reduction of lanes and bike lanes, etc... but I would hate to see the large median removed and University Ave to become any other street. If anything I would take away the two middle most lanes and many of the turn around points and make the median even more grandiose.

i feel like that would be such a suboptimal use of space. A good-sized park, cut off from its surroundings by high-speed traffic in all directions.

Toronto is just plain not a city of grandiose avenues. And honestly, GOOD. University Ave-type streets are way overrated in my opinion; they’re dime a dozen in North American cities, and they’re usually little more than high-volume vehicle movers.

Given the street goes directly through several major hospitals, turning what is currently a traffic sewer into a green space that could partially function as a place of respite for hospital patients is a no-brainer in my opinion.

University Park would be a far more unique and novel use of space than what is currently there.
 

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From link.

Looking south....
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They could build the entrance using the current "northbound" lanes. Then cover it over with the park afterwards.

i feel like that would be such a suboptimal use of space. A good-sized park, cut off from its surroundings by high-speed traffic in all directions.

Toronto is just plain not a city of grandiose avenues. And honestly, GOOD. University Ave-type streets are way overrated in my opinion; they’re dime a dozen in North American cities, and they’re usually little more than high-volume vehicle movers.

Given the street goes directly through several major hospitals, turning what is currently a traffic sewer into a green space that could partially function as a place of respite for hospital patients is a no-brainer in my opinion.

University Park would be a far more unique and novel use of space than what is currently there.
Haha yeah, imagine the congestion in that bottom picture, it's already bad enough as it is.
 

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I hadn't seen that proposal before. I like the idea of traffic calming, interesting road treatment, reduction of lanes and bike lanes, etc... but I would hate to see the large median removed and University Ave to become any other street. If anything I would take away the two middle most lanes and many of the turn around points and make the median even more grandiose.
Guess you'll be one of those who won't like the changes to Paris' Champs-Élysées. See link.

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A rendering of what the Champs-Élysées could look like with added pedestrian walkways and sidewalks.

If the city will be rebuilding University Avenue, this would be a good time to construct the Ontario Line' "Osgoode" Station as well.
 

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I hadn't seen that proposal before. I like the idea of traffic calming, interesting road treatment, reduction of lanes and bike lanes, etc... but I would hate to see the large median removed and University Ave to become any other street. If anything I would take away the two middle most lanes and many of the turn around points and make the median even more grandiose.
The issue with the median is that it's completely hostile to human enjoyment. You have to cross three lanes of traffic to reach it, which strongly discourages its usage in the first place, and then once you're in the middle you have to deal with loud traffic from all sides. It's not a place where anyone should want to spend any significant amount of time.
 
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