rbt
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As they should be with Vaughan, Sheppard, Scarborough, and Eglinton West all getting far more tunnel than we want to pay to maintain.
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As they should be with Vaughan, Sheppard, Scarborough, and Eglinton West all getting far more tunnel than we want to pay to maintain.
Allandale25
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ARG1
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She's continuing to push the myth that the DRL was somehow "shovel ready" even though it was years away from any shovels hitting the dirt.
rbt
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The april 2019 TBM EOI put it about 24 months into the future. 9 months to evaluate TBM bids + 2 years to deliver TBMs - ~6 months to excavate the launch pit. So roughly a summer 2021 start if funding was provided immediately and earnestly (not future dated funding).
However, "shovel ready" for Metrolinx projects typically includes utility moves. They considered Hurontario under construction for nearly a year before they even closed the tender on the project. DRL utility moves likely would have been underway today, particularly around launch sites.
Of course, without a firm funding commitment nothing would have moved at all on the project.
I prefer the Ontario Line (East and North sections); though I would have preferred it even more if GO didn't reject the TTCs initial request to use the railway corridor (deemed impossible as construction would interrupt GO service) and the line was already underway using that alignment with TR rolling stock.
W. K. Lis
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W. K. Lis
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In Montréal, they are planning their transit expansion using REM ( light metro, see link).
From link. Some of new lines will be surface or above grade, but some underground, where needed. The first sections are scheduled to be opened by 2021, latest 2023 for other sections. The trouble with Toronto is that every few years, we get new and different napkin plans, throwing out the old plans. Toronto should have been ADDING new transit plans to existing plans, not replacing them.
Note, the Montréal REM will have platform screen doors at each and every station. In Toronto, insert sound of crickets.
From link. Some of new lines will be surface or above grade, but some underground, where needed. The first sections are scheduled to be opened by 2021, latest 2023 for other sections. The trouble with Toronto is that every few years, we get new and different napkin plans, throwing out the old plans. Toronto should have been ADDING new transit plans to existing plans, not replacing them.
Note, the Montréal REM will have platform screen doors at each and every station. In Toronto, insert sound of crickets.
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robmausser
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Lol the reason that things take forever to build is because we overbuild it!
kamira51
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In Montréal, they are planning their transit expansion using REM ( light metro, see link).
From link. Some of new lines will be surface or above grade, but some underground, where needed. The first sections are scheduled to be opened by 2021, latest 2023 for other sections. The trouble with Toronto is that every few years, we get new and different napkin plans, throwing out the old plans. Toronto should have been ADDING new transit plans to existing plans, not replacing them.
Makes you wanna bang your head into a wall
innsertnamehere
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Montreal has plenty of dumb transit politics too, don't you worry.
TheTigerMaster
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No, things take forever to build because of transit politics
syn
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Why?
There doesn't seem to be any data that shows anything at the moment, aside from some dubious comparisons from Metrolinx.
I'm not too concerned about whether or not it's full immediately, but a little further down the road (though I do think it will fill up faster than we expect). The approach taken does not leave much room for improvement in the long term, and potentially reduces future GO capacity expansion as well. And we haven't even addressed community concerns.
I posted city expectations earlier - how does the province intend to reach these numbers? What are the car capacities and loading standards?
TheTigerMaster
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The problem with the Ontario Line has never been that it's going to be overcapacity from Day 1. The problem is that, with the Ontario Line terminating at Eglinton, it's ability to provide crowding relief to the Yonge Line is extremely limited. The Ontario Line might be able to keep the Yonge Line running within capacity for five to ten years, before we're again facing overcrowded trains, thanks to Yonge Line traffic originating north of Eglinton.
At that point, the logical decision would be to extend the Ontario Line north (likely to Sheppard and Don Mills), however the capacity of the Ontario Line is so low, that doing so would likely see the Ontario Line itself running overcapacity within years of the extension opening.
The primary objective of the Ontario Line is ostensibly to reduce Yonge Line crowding, however before the Ontario Line even opens, we'll be here discussing even more expensive Yonge Line crowding mitigation measures. That's unacceptable for a $11 Billion investment, particularly when this problem could be eliminated by simply increasing the capacity of the proposed line. The design of the Ontario Line is fundamentally "penny wise, dollar foolish".
TheTigerMaster
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Investing in the Ontario Line is akin to buying a two-seater Mazda Miata over an equally priced four-seat Honda Civic when you know you got twin girls on the way. Sure, having a car is better than nothing, but it's still a dumbass, short-sighted decision that you'll inevitability regret.
syn
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Divas S.
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indeed we are buying a fully loaded Dodge Gand Caravan when all we need is a damn Carolla for Scarborough and Eglinton west