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Carnegie

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What are the forum's opinion about buying a home located near the hydro generation plant and the trans national pipeline ? Here's a snapshot of the pipeline ( marked in yellow ) running through the first location phase ( The Enclave ) of the development.

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A sprawling we will grow, a sprawling we will grow. Hie Hoe Ontario, a sprawling we will grow.

More single family homes and more of the same idiotic cul-de-sac street grid - nothing is walk-able except maybe the local school or grass patch. Everything else will require car. Wasn't Seaton supposed to be a model 21st century community. What a failure of planning.
 

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More single family homes and more of the same idiotic cul-de-sac street grid - nothing is walk-able except maybe the local school or grass patch. Everything else will require car. Wasn't Seaton supposed to be a model 21st century community. What a failure of planning.
For Durham Region's archaic planning standards, to them this is indeed a "model 21st century community".
 

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Sadly you're right. Its not just Durham, but all over the entire province. The provincial policy document has pretty pictures of European towns to show the vision, but what actually gets built is more of this crap - largely because of municipal zoning and other archaic rules. The easy way to fix this is to tax such sprawl and use the proceeds to subsidize compact urban living that is easy to service. The problem is that Ontario and Canada still has the mentality of drive further until you qualify to own a detached home.

The insanity continues.
 

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If there are no affordable family homes inside the 416 we will just get more and more like this development.
 

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The stuff along Taunton is supposed to be higher density walkable stuff. The first phases are the detached stock.

Its similar to Cornell, Cornell is just starting the more walkable, high density development, and its been under construction for 10+ years.
 

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This area is massive and virtually a new city for the GTA. Would be interesting if any new subdivision were to effectively copy places like Cabbagetown (while still keeping the area almost all fully detached homes). Not like Cornell, but truly like Old Toronto with narrow streets, narrow laneways, narrow lots, and narrow ~15'-wide homes. I'm actually a bit confused why we don't see that. Not for some environmental reason, but because surely developers would make more money that way. People will still buy them up in a heartbeat.
 

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minimum servicing needs of today. Local municipalities need minimum sight triangles, road widths, curve radii, parking spaces, etc.

Developers are always pushing for smaller units. Municipalities push back.
 

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minimum servicing needs of today. Local municipalities need minimum sight triangles, road widths, curve radii, parking spaces, etc.

Developers are always pushing for smaller units. Municipalities push back.
Interesting, this probably is the reason. The necessity for modern-day/suburban-style road sightlines, widths, and turn radii does make sense. Utilities vehicles, garbage/fire trucks etc are all massive, and efficiency of ultra low speed limits and full stops every 50m probably does throttle movement. Bringing any vehicle larger than a sedan through a tight grid of 19th C type roads and lanes can be more than a hassle, so I wouldn't doubt it being written in as a nonstarter.
 

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The necessity for modern-day/suburban-style road sightlines, widths, and turn radii does make sense.
It actually doesn't make sense. There is strong evidence that wider lanes lead to speeding and are more dangerous than narrow lanes. Wider turn radii also endanger pedestrians. We have the evidence that these things are bad, but many cities are living in the dark ages. We also know from European examples that narrow roads with sharp turns work just fine in residential neighborhoods.
 

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