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drum118

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Time base of 2 hours or 1.5hr with the same cost being the same no matter what area you are in and at to today rates. Some rates would go up while other go down.

Get on an Burlington bus and travel where you want to go. If your trip is longer than 2 hours, you pay another fare when you tap off. You will be require to tap off to validate your time, otherwise you will be charge a max of 4-6hr rate.
 
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That would be a simple and effective way of doing things, arguably better than zoning the GTHA. I really thought though that this would be Metrolinx's first priority when it was created 5+ years ago. Crazy that they are only getting around to this now.
 
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Time base of 2 hours or 1.5hr with the same cost being the same no matter what area you are in and at to today rates. Some rates would go up while other go down.

Get on an Burlington bus and travel where you want to go. If your trip is longer than 2 hours, you pay another fare when you tap off. You will be require to tap off to validate your time, otherwise you will be charge a max of 4-6hr rate.
Doesn't basing it on time rather than distance double punish people who live in areas not served, or underserved, by the more rapid forms of transit? If you are pushed onto the slower forms of transit but travel the same distance as someone who has more/better access to more rapid transit, you are more often going to go over your 2 hour time limit.
 

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That would be a simple and effective way of doing things, arguably better than zoning the GTHA. I really thought though that this would be Metrolinx's first priority when it was created 5+ years ago. Crazy that they are only getting around to this now.
More often we are too concerned about building subways and LRT when its things like this which can make the biggest difference for those who are using transit and even attract new people.
 

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What I'd like to see is this:



The fare structure would work like this:

-All fares would be valid for a period of 2 hours.

-Local bus/streetcar service is a one zone fare, regardless of distance travelled.

-Base fare would be $3.00.

-Local Rapid Transit (LRT, BRT, Subway) Base Fare + $1.00 for each extra zone travelled.

-Express Rapid Transit (GO REX, GO, Express BRT) Base Fare + $1.50 for each extra zone travelled.

-Riders would tap onto the RT route and be charged the maximum amount for that line. When they exit that line they would be refunded the difference between the max for that line and what they actually spent.
 
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I think the base fare should be lower if it will increase base on zones, distance or time. For example, on the TTC a $2 base fare + $1.00 for each extra zone, x kilometres, or minutes. A lower base fare might encourage riders to use the TTC for more shorter trips (less money per trip but more trips overall). However, the 2 hour transfer time might also encourage more people to use the TTC for shorter trips.

Also, this system will still charges people for longer distance/time travelled, but may seem less like an extra charge.
 

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I think the base fare should be lower if it will increase base on zones, distance or time. For example, on the TTC a $2 base fare + $1.00 for each extra zone, x kilometres, or minutes. A lower base fare might encourage riders to use the TTC for more shorter trips (less money per trip but more trips overall). However, the 2 hour transfer time might also encourage more people to use the TTC for shorter trips.

Also, this system will still charges people for longer distance/time travelled, but may seem less like an extra charge.
The key is finding a price that makes short trips economically viable, but also doesn't make longer trips either too cheap or too expensive. Too high of a base fare and you drive away short trips. Too low of an extra zone fare and you might as well just have a flat fare. Too high of an extra zone fare and you're potentially driving people away.

And remember, this fare zone structure needs to work for the entire GTHA, not just the TTC. Finding the right balance for local vs mid-range municipal RT vs long distance GO fares in a single fare structure is tricky.

Also, with the fare zones themselves, too many of them and the map/system becomes too complicated to figure out. Too few of them and you're forced to increase the cost per zone, because there are fewer of them.
 

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What I'd like to see is this:



The fare structure would work like this:

-All fares would be valid for a period of 2 hours.

-Local bus/streetcar service is a one zone fare, regardless of distance travelled.

-Base fare would be $3.00.

-Local Rapid Transit (LRT, BRT, Subway) Base Fare + $1.00 for each extra zone travelled.

-Express Rapid Transit (GO REX, GO, Express BRT) Base Fare + $1.50 for each extra zone travelled.

-Riders would tap onto the RT route and be charged the maximum amount for that line. When they exit that line they would be refunded the difference between the max for that line and what they actually spent.
First, that is an incredible map you made!

Second, in Toronto I think GO should be treated as a TTC Downtown Express service. This means that going anywhere to anywhere within the city limits is $5.65 cash, $5.30 tokens/Presto, or an extra $2.65 with a Metropass. If transferring from another service, it is $2.65 cash or another token.

That said, you can get the Downtown Express Metropass for $166.25. So with 40 monthly trips using GO it comes to $4.15 - not including any extra trips you take using regular TTC services.
 

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Same here, and it made my browser crash twice!
That's because it's a 19 MB JPG with 24,000x18,000 pixels.

How about some common sense ... I can download it, and get to see a bit of it, but very difficult to see anything. It would be a lot more funcational if you hadn't overlain overtop of a photograph ...
 

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That's because it's a 19 MB JPG with 24,000x18,000 pixels.

How about some common sense ... I can download it, and get to see a bit of it, but very difficult to see anything. It would be a lot more funcational if you hadn't overlain overtop of a photograph ...
I knew it may not display properly in the forum thread itself, but I figured opening it in a separate window would be ok (it worked on mine). I've uploaded a new version that doesn't have the image background. Sorry for the browser crashes!

Without background: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43869799/GTA System Map - To Scale_NoBackground.jpg

Full PDF version (big map, be warned): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43869799/GTA System Map - To Scale.pdf
 

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I would prefer a little less radical kind of reform:

There should be three fare "tiers": TTC, all other local agencies, and GO. TTC and the other local agencies would operate under the same rules. Pay one fare to access everything. There will continue to be a double fare to use both the TTC and other agencies. GO should continue to operate as it does but I think it would be great if taking local transit (including the TTC) to and from GO could be subsidized completely.

I would also like to see standardized fare rates and fare categories (possibly no fare categories at all).
 

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