Finch West Line 6 LRT

[nfitz]

Transit City had ZERO subways being built. (Spadina extension was a different project).

This is absolutely untrue. Transit City had the Eglinton line in a subway from near Weston to past Laird from day one. The studies for Don Mills line were looking at how to deal with the ridership south of Union, and included subway options. The DRL proposal was also made in the same time period.

I don't know why people are still are blatantly lying about this. Far more subway progress was made Miller - than the incompetent drug-addled incompetent oaf who succeeded him. Even Tory has been disappointingly mediocre.

 

[pman]

Transit City was premised on wanting to say that everyone in the city was within x meters of higher order transit. Whether it met anyones’ needs was not a priority. It was pretty close to Leninist socialism..... everyone gets exactly the same thing, even if everyone gets mediocrity as a result.
The reality is that to serve high demand destinations,, there must be trunk lines, ie subway volume lines, and trunk lines may confer an advantage on those lucky enough to live nearby. There will be winners and losers, not because thats a good thing, but because that’s the price of everyone wanting to travel to a single place at the same time.
I still believe there is need for a fairly fast seamless line crossing the top of the city. The Davis era ALRT across the Hydro corridor idea was ahead of its time, IMHO, far superior to TC. Thanks to all the bad decisions, now we have to cobble together something out of a stub end LRT on Finch, a too short subway on Sheppard, and whatever can be agreed on to the east. Personally I would like to see the Sheppard subway extended at both ends, but maybe LRT all the way across Finch to Malvern is what we can better afford. But the RL is non negotiable.

- Paul

It’s kind of an insult to Leninist socialism to compare it with TC. After all, the Soviets built Moscow’s really comprehensive metro system.

 

[BurlOak]

This is absolutely untrue. Transit City had the Eglinton line in a subway from near Weston to past Laird from day one. The studies for Don Mills line were looking at how to deal with the ridership south of Union, and included subway options. The DRL proposal was also made in the same time period.

I don't know why people are still are blatantly lying about this. Far more subway progress was made Miller - than the incompetent drug-addled incompetent oaf who succeeded him. Even Tory has been disappointingly mediocre.

I didn't know this. So a subway was to go from Weston to Laird. And LRT would be added on at either end.
I guess the result is the same as on Sheppard.
But it is a pretty stupid idea.

 

[APTA-2048]

I didn't know this. So a subway was to go from Weston to Laird. And LRT would be added on at either end.
I guess the result is the same as on Sheppard.
But it is a pretty stupid idea.

You're the only one who came up with this stupid idea. Eglinton has an underground/grade separated section. Where the corridor is less dense and the road is wider, it transitions to surface. It's one continuous line that is versatile and adapted to its surroundings. That's a completely reasonable idea. I think it would be even better if strategic grade separations were considered for its eastern leg, however.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

It’s kind of an insult to Leninist socialism to compare it with TC. After all, the Soviets built Moscow’s really comprehensive metro system.

And they probably built it quicker!

 

[nfitz]

I didn't know this. So a subway was to go from Weston to Laird

I'm surprised you were unaware that the current plan has Line 5 in a subway tunnel all the way from Weston to east of Laird!

 

[BurlOak]

You're the only one who came up with this stupid idea. Eglinton has an underground/grade separated section. Where the corridor is less dense and the road is wider, it transitions to surface. It's one continuous line that is versatile and adapted to its surroundings. That's a completely reasonable idea. I think it would be even better if strategic grade separations were considered for its eastern leg, however.

The confusion comes when people mislabel subway. Every LRT (in TC) has an underground portion.
Although I haven't taken them lately, I believe that the St. Clair, Spadina, and Harbourfront "subways" also have underground portions.

 

[nfitz]

Although I haven't taken them lately, I believe that the St. Clair, Spadina, and Harbourfront "subways" also have underground portions.

While the TTC does brand the Scarborough RT as a subway, I believe you are incorrect that they've ever branded any of the streetcar lines as subways.

Perhaps you are thinking of the aborted 1940s to 1960s plan to build the a streetcar subway along Queen?

Though there's been inconsistency over the years - perhaps I'm wrong on that. And there have certainly been politicians who have lied - such as one of the Ford's claimed that Line 3 interfered with cars at intersections.

 

[chinesehorse]

While the TTC does brand the Scarborough RT as a subway, I believe you are incorrect that they've ever branded any of the streetcar lines as subways.

Perhaps you are thinking of the aborted 1940s to 1960s plan to build the a streetcar subway along Queen?

Though there's been inconsistency over the years - perhaps I'm wrong on that. And there have certainly been politicians who have lied - such as one of the Ford's claimed that Line 3 interfered with cars at intersections.

The 1990 TTC ride guide features the "Harbourfront LRT" as an orange line that appears at the same hierarchy as the subway and RT. That's the only time ever I can see that the TTC has branded a streetcar line at the same level as a subway, and the branding did last several years (by 1996 it was gone).

 

[nfitz]

The 1990 TTC ride guide features the "Harbourfront LRT" as an orange line that appears at the same hierarchy as the subway and RT. That's the only time ever I can see that the TTC has branded a streetcar line at the same level as a subway, and the branding did last several years (by 1996 it was gone).

Yes, they were briefly branding the Harbourfront LRT as rapid transit when it only ran on Bay and Queens Quay. But I don't recall them using the "subway" branding - even at Queens Quay station!

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

ML will be on the hook for all the engineering design and prototyping that went into one of the types of trains and the line. That is definitely more the savings from scaling down the Hurontario LRT. There won't be much public support since the community wants the line oppose to that gas plant generator. At least the people were happy that plant got canceled.

I have to challenge you on this because public awareness of Finch is low right now.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

The 1990 TTC ride guide features the "Harbourfront LRT" as an orange line that appears at the same hierarchy as the subway and RT. That's the only time ever I can see that the TTC has branded a streetcar line at the same level as a subway, and the branding did last several years (by 1996 it was gone).

Yes, they were briefly branding the Harbourfront LRT as rapid transit when it only ran on Bay and Queens Quay. But I don't recall them using the "subway" branding - even at Queens Quay station!

That was before the 510 was added on back then it was branded as 604. Beodfre they renumbered the subway and SRT lines with 1 -4 they used the internal numbers of 601 for YUS, 602 for BD and 603 for the SRT.

 

[Steve X]

I have to challenge you on this because public awareness of Finch is low right now.

I'm pretty sure whoever is driving or bussing along Finch would have seen banners ML erected along there along with lots of preconstruction activities/lane closures happening.

That was before the 510 was added on back then it was branded as 604. Beodfre they renumbered the subway and SRT lines with 1 -4 they used the internal numbers of 601 for YUS, 602 for BD and 603 for the SRT.

Actually BD was 601 and YUS was 602.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I'm pretty sure whoever is driving or bussing along Finch would have seen banners ML erected along there along with lots of preconstruction activities/lane closures happening.


Actually BD was 601 and YUS was 602.

They don't all know it's for the LRT. And there are not that many banners up right now. I work there (Finch and Weston) 2-3 days of the week.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

They don't all know it's for the LRT. And there are not that many banners up right now. I work there (Finch and Weston) 2-3 days of the week.

The general public doesn't really understand how transit construction works, for example, someone on a facebook p[past about the construction of the crosstown line asked why they had to rip up the street to build it as it was already tunnelled.