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Finch West Line 6 LRT

smallspy said:
The TTC, multiple times, and many different public meetings.

Dan
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Yes I've heard that as well many different times, however...
there is this response to a question on the metrolinxengage.com website:



Will trains stop at every surface stop, or as request-stop only?
Josh
Nov 16, 2020 - 11:15
Additionally, will "stops" be considered real stations according to the TTC subway network (have passenger intercoms, fare vending machines, etc.), or will they be more like streetcar stops?
How will scheduling work if the stations are request-stop? Won't this cause bunching of trains?
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Will trains stop at every surface stop, or as request-stop only?
Metrolinx
Nov 18, 2020 - 12:50
Line 5 will be operated by the TTC. The operational details will be confirmed by TTC accordingly. The stops are considered exactly the same as the underground stations, and all stops will be made, similar to the TTC subway.

Source: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/eglintoncrosstown/east-VOH

Of course the above response from Metrolinx begs the question: "Why are there stop request buttons on the Flexity Freedoms if they are going to stop at all stops?"
 
Ozman said:
Yes I've heard that as well many different times, however...
there is this response to a question on the metrolinxengage.com website:



Will trains stop at every surface stop, or as request-stop only?
Josh
Nov 16, 2020 - 11:15
Additionally, will "stops" be considered real stations according to the TTC subway network (have passenger intercoms, fare vending machines, etc.), or will they be more like streetcar stops?
How will scheduling work if the stations are request-stop? Won't this cause bunching of trains?
Metrolinx's avatar's avatar

Will trains stop at every surface stop, or as request-stop only?
Metrolinx
Nov 18, 2020 - 12:50
Line 5 will be operated by the TTC. The operational details will be confirmed by TTC accordingly. The stops are considered exactly the same as the underground stations, and all stops will be made, similar to the TTC subway.

Source: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/eglintoncrosstown/east-VOH

Of course the above response from Metrolinx begs the question: "Why are there stop request buttons on the Flexity Freedoms if they are going to stop at all stops?"
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Maybe there was the plan to have a request stop situation that now is no longer being done. Might have been cheaper to just leave them there.
 
I can imagine the early users not pressing the "on request" button, or users pressing the "on request" button just as the trains enter the stops. Then they would complain that they missed their stop. They would also be sitting on seat and wonder why they train is leaving before they get to the door.

If they increase the dwell times at stops, that would also increase the travel times. The operators try to keep the dwell time down to a reasonable time, but different people have different definitions or preferences for the length of that dwell time.

Please press the "on request" after leaving the previous stop and walk carefully to the door before the train enters the stop.
 
Tcmetro said:
In Minneapolis, the light rail trains make all stops but in the winter riders have to push the door button.
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Personally I think that's a good compromise. Stop at every stop for 3 seconds, and if nobody presses the button to open the door, move on.
 
Ozman said:
Yes I've heard that as well many different times, however...
there is this response to a question on the metrolinxengage.com website:



Will trains stop at every surface stop, or as request-stop only?
Josh
Nov 16, 2020 - 11:15
Additionally, will "stops" be considered real stations according to the TTC subway network (have passenger intercoms, fare vending machines, etc.), or will they be more like streetcar stops?
How will scheduling work if the stations are request-stop? Won't this cause bunching of trains?
Metrolinx's avatar's avatar

Will trains stop at every surface stop, or as request-stop only?
Metrolinx
Nov 18, 2020 - 12:50
Line 5 will be operated by the TTC. The operational details will be confirmed by TTC accordingly. The stops are considered exactly the same as the underground stations, and all stops will be made, similar to the TTC subway.

Source: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/eglintoncrosstown/east-VOH

Of course the above response from Metrolinx begs the question: "Why are there stop request buttons on the Flexity Freedoms if they are going to stop at all stops?"
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I think the only explanation is to make it an option in the future. ION has the same thing in Waterloo where the cars do have stop request buttons but they're unused.
 
Steve X said:
Alstom is ready supplying the vehicle way before the merger. Being the operator or maintenance supplier doesn't mean they have to build the vehicle. E.g. UPX. BBD didn't build those trains. Nippon Sharyo did.
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Ironically, Bombardier was supplying the vehicles before Alstom was providing the vehicles. So not only did Alstom get a much higher price per vehicle (even accounting for length) than Alstom (Bombardier), but Alstom (Bombardier) was paid a penalty by Metrolinx for cancelling the original order.
 
innsertnamehere said:
The increased capacity, comfort, and reliability will be a huge thing. Sure the bus today may be able to do a similar time when traffic is low, but the LRT will deliver the same time, every time, regardless if it's 5pm before a long weekend or 8am on Christmas day.
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In an ideal world maybe, but when a bus gets gets into an accident the impact is pretty minimal, its gonna be brutal on Eglinton when a train gets into an accident.

Rainforest said:
LRT will stop on-demand only at the surface stops. The Eglinton line will always stop at underground stations, but Finch West has none of those except the termini.

So, the same principle for Finch LRT as for the Finch bus. No riders, no stopping. I don't expect much speed improvement off-peak anyway, but there will be some situations where the bus would stop at both adjacent stops letting 1 person exit at each, while the LRT will let both of them out at the consolidated single stop. Of course that's not the main reason for the LRT construction; the peak-time improvement is the main goal.

I believe the stretch between Kipling and Albion is relatively dense. No skyscrapers of course, but some multi-storeys are there. That's why they added the Stevenson stop. One can always debate the benefits of more fine-graned local service vs the benefits of better longer-range trip times; there is no perfect solution. That said, the average Finch West stop spacing will be a pretty reasonable ~ 670m.
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This would be terrible, having to press a button isn't great for so called rapid transit
 
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