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Metrolinx: Finch West LRT

Streety McCarface

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We all know they aren't. They just think they are especially with project delivery.

The rights for TTC to operate a transit system is a privilege given by Queen's Park in the CIty of Toronto Act, 2006. It can be revoked at anytime. A simple amendment can let disallow the TTC from running parallel bus service along all ML rapid transit corridor. Of course this is really bizarre but a take over of the entire TTC is possible if the city/TTC refuses to submit to Queen's Park's order. A merger of all GTA transit agencies into GO Transit is entirely possible if desired. They already banned the city/TTC from working on any subway expansion without permission!
How is it that the province has given Metrolinx so much power without any checks and balances whatsoever? Does anyone else see anything fundamentally wrong with this?
 

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How is it that the province has given Metrolinx so much power without any checks and balances whatsoever? Does anyone else see anything fundamentally wrong with this?
It's how our Constitution is set up. Cities have no rights on their own. They exist cause the province can't manage local issues thus they drew boundaries and delegated that task to a bunch of people known as the mayor and councillors. Any province can change how things right in their cities. In BC, they have BC transit as the province doesn't allow for city operated transit agencies.

ML is just Queen's parks puppet. It just sounds better than saying MTO is running our transit.

The only way Toronto can be freed from Queen's park is to become it's own province.
 
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But the City of Toronto is kind of arbitrary borders. A Toronto province should include some of the surrounding GTA.
Yeah, the whole point is that we need to start thinking regionally. It should really be the Greater Golden Horseshoe including Hamilton, Niagara, and Kitchener-Waterloo.
 

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Yeah, the whole point is that we need to start thinking regionally. It should really be the Greater Golden Horseshoe including Hamilton, Niagara, and Kitchener-Waterloo.
Indeed, which is exactly what makes it a really stupid idea for Toronto to propose. Ottawa, London, Windsor, Kingston, ThunderBay, etc. have legitimate complaint about being ignored.

If Toronto area is unhappy with Ontario government, Toronto area should elect different people to government because it's already in complete control over what happens at Queens Park. If you don't want a Ford, Lastman, Wynne, Tory for Mayor/ Premier, stop electing those people for Mayor/Premier.

What Province of Toronto people really want is a division of the GTA based on values, not geography.
 

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I'm not concerned about politics so much as tax revenues and government income and spending.

I would really like it if the taxes the Toronto region paid, went back into investing in the Toronto region's infrastructure. I also would really like the freedom for the region to adopt stuff like road tolls without Queen's Park veto-ing it.
 

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This Province of Toronto/GTA thing will never happen anyways. The energy should be focused on devolving powers to the municipalities with constitutional protections. We can achieve our goals just as well
 

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And Mel Lastman was laughed out of the room for suggesting just that many years ago.
Ha. I wasn’t very happy to see Ford elected, but I had the feeling that the silver lining would be that he’d set the wheels in motion for Toronto to become a constitutionally protected charter city, with significant autonomy, albeit inadvertently. His time in office would clearly demonstrate why such protections for Toronto were necessary.

Lo and behold, Ford couldn’t help but interfere in Toronto’s affairs in the most offensive way possible. Now we have the federal Liberal Government coming out in favour of a constitutional amendment to empower and protect the City of Toronto from Queen’s Park. And you can bet your bottom dollar that the LPC has been coordinating this idea with the top brass in the LPO. If the PC government is deposed in 2022, all the pieces will be in place to pass this constitutional amendment. The days of Toronto being a creature of the province could soon come to a close. Thank you Doug Ford!
 

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Ha. I wasn’t very happy to see Ford elected, but I had the feeling that the silver lining would be that he’d set the wheels in motion for Toronto to become a constitutionally protected charter city, with significant autonomy, albeit inadvertently. His time in office would clearly demonstrate why such protections for Toronto were necessary.

Lo and behold, Ford couldn’t help but interfere in Toronto’s affairs in the most offensive way possible. Now we have the federal Liberal Government coming out in favour of a constitutional amendment to empower and protect the City of Toronto from Queen’s Park. And you can bet your bottom dollar that the LPC has been coordinating this idea with the top brass in the LPO. If the PC government is deposed in 2022, all the pieces will be in place to pass this constitutional amendment. The days of Toronto being a creature of the province could soon come to a close. Thank you Doug Ford!
The question is to what extent will this charter city status grant Toronto autonomous powers? The example when John Tory proposed road tolls on the Gardiner and Queen's Park simply disallowed it comes to mind - if the city will still be at the mercy of having such significant local decisions arbitrarily overturned by the province then charter city status will be meaningless. It needs to have some sort of teeth. The difficulty will be getting the Ontario government to agree to such a change. I doubt Thug will sign off on such a proposal given his obsession of exacting revenge upon Toronto through endless meddling.
 

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The question is to what extent will this charter city status grant Toronto autonomous powers? The example when John Tory proposed road tolls on the Gardiner and Queen's Park simply disallowed it comes to mind - if the city will still be at the mercy of having such significant local decisions arbitrarily overturned by the province then charter city status will be meaningless. It needs to have some sort of teeth. The difficulty will be getting the Ontario government to agree to such a change. I doubt Thug will sign off on such a proposal given his obsession of exacting revenge upon Toronto through endless meddling.
That is a major problem. The province would also need to achieve goals to keep themselves in power. With an independent Toronto (GTA), there would only be one level of government thus combining provincial and municipal elections into one. The Toronto council would be replaced with MPPs. The rest of Ontario can have a proper government the focus on rural and Northern Ontario issues.

There has been major divides between rural and urban Ontario, such as the sex ed issue. If GTA is separated from the rest of Ontario, they can have separated education curriculum as the "two" provinces can do their own things. Other ministries like health care, energy, MTO (highway design, expansion) and OPP could operate over the two jurisdiction if that benefits both through agreements.

That fact that many well known cities around the world have federal level cities, maybe it's time for a change. Especially after Ford thought he is the Premier of Toronto.
 

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