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Steve Munro

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The TTC Notice says:

Roncesvalles: April 2022 to August 2022 Harvard Avenue to Dundas Street West: AODA upgrades to existing TTC platforms so I assume that is yet to come.
Do you have a link to a current notice with this time frame? The platform realignments were always part of "stage 3" when the junction at the north gate to the carhouse was to be rebuilt, but this stage won't begin until September thanks to overall delays. It would make sense to do the work now rather than waiting until the fall, but this could also be linked to diversion plans for the 504C shuttle and waiting for things to get back to "normal" at Dundas West Station.
 

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Do you have a link to a current notice with this time frame? The platform realignments were always part of "stage 3" when the junction at the north gate to the carhouse was to be rebuilt, but this stage won't begin until September thanks to overall delays. It would make sense to do the work now rather than waiting until the fall, but this could also be linked to diversion plans for the 504C shuttle and waiting for things to get back to "normal" at Dundas West Station.
I saw it yesterday and should have added the link. Today I cannot find it but the TTC website is filled with duplicated and contradictory information. Sorry!
 

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The TTC Notice says:

Roncesvalles: April 2022 to August 2022 Harvard Avenue to Dundas Street West: AODA upgrades to existing TTC platforms so I assume that is yet to come.
You mean this??

In July 2021, the City’s contractor encountered unforeseen utility conflicts at the KQQR intersection during excavation for new pole installations. In order to ensure safety and to resolve the conflicts work was paused. This delayed to the start of Stage 2 work to November 13, 2021.

At the present time, the City’s contractor is working on The Queensway (west of Sunnyside Avenue) towards Parkside Drive, which the east limit of the work zone. Crews are also finalizing work on King Street West (south of Queen Street West) to approximately 100 metres further south and at the KQQR intersection proper.

Previous delays, combined with some periods of adverse fall/winter weather, COVID-19 related labour shortages and supply chain issues have deferred completion of Stage 2 work (KQQR intersection, The Queensway and King Street West) to September 3, 2022.

Work on Stage 3 (the final stage) will start on Roncesvalles Avenue from the KQQR intersection to Harvard Avenue on September 4, 2022, and will be completed by the end of December 2022*.

After talking to Steve today, Hydro work is real behind to the point that TTC poles can't be install on the southside that will support the Sunnyside Loop OS to the ROW centre poles. It also prevent the road curb to be form and pour so the road can be rebuilt.

Did not looked at Glendale Ave Intersection to see why the ROW was not dug out up to it, but look like hydro work was taking place in the area that is preventing it.

The support for the OS to/from the yard is in place, but TTC hasn't strung the OS to the support for Queen and King yet. TTC can't do the string until the eastbound traffic is move to the new lanes and having the westbound using the curb lane.

Until the OS is strung and the ROW for the yard area is for streetcars only, neither 501 or 504 can loop the yard or Sunnyside Loop. At the same time, 512, 505 and 506 cars still have to use the east gate preventing replacement of the tracks and switches on Roncesvalles and don't see work starting in Sept as plan at this time.

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If I recall correctly - the rebuild for much of the main King Street street car tracks and roadway is scheduled for 2023. If that is correct, and at the rate the King / Queen / Roncesvalles intersection project is going, the projects may merge seamlessly from one into the other, resulting in an uninterrupted multi-year interruption to the 504 King car service....
 
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If I recall correctly - the rebuild for much of the main King Street street car tracks and roadway is scheduled for 2023. If that is correct, and at the rate the King / Queen / Roncesvalles intersection project is going, the projects may merge seamlessly from one into the other, resulting in an uninterrupted multi-year interruption to the 504 King car service....
Yes, the King trackwork WAS scheduled for 2023 but it no longer shows in T.O.InView and seems to have moved to 2024 - probably because Adelaide is now being done in 2023 in preparation for the Queen diversion work for the Ontario Line. I think King will have a year or more of use before it gets interrupted again for the new track downtown - of course, as the King track was laid about 20 years ago with the (then) new improved design, the base concrete and metal 'ties' do not need to be replaced so, in theory it should not be a very long job. (Well, one can hope!)
 

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So in short, anyone who lives west of Roncesvalles traveling via transit wont be able to get into/out of the downtown core in a timely manner unless they take the GO Train or Bloor-Danforth line until...um 2031?

Watermain and Track work is still showing up on King Street West in the city construction pipeline for 2023 btw.

What a beautiful city we live in.
 

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So in short, anyone who lives west of Roncesvalles traveling via transit wont be able to get into/out of the downtown core in a timely manner unless they take the GO Train or Bloor-Danforth line until...um 2031?

Watermain and Track work is still showing up on King Street West in the city construction pipeline for 2023 btw.

What a beautiful city we live in.

Well those poor commuters can simply take the shiny new Waterfront LRT instead that was built on schedule back in...

Oh, wait.
 

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Yes, the King trackwork WAS scheduled for 2023 but it no longer shows in T.O.InView and seems to have moved to 2024 - probably because Adelaide is now being done in 2023 in preparation for the Queen diversion work for the Ontario Line. I think King will have a year or more of use before it gets interrupted again for the new track downtown - of course, as the King track was laid about 20 years ago with the (then) new improved design, the base concrete and metal 'ties' do not need to be replaced so, in theory it should not be a very long job. (Well, one can hope!)
Tender calls for track work specify whether they require complete excavation or only the top layer. Recent tenders show full excavation for the intersections of Church & Carlton, and King & Shaw, but only top layer excavation for the coming College Street project. Queen was done largely top layer only except at special work and cases where excavation for Toronto Water were needed. The Queensway is full excavation. We have not been long enough in the cycle of special work replacement to hit an intersection that has "new" panel track and should only require top layer work, but that will come. There is almost no tangent track left that was built "the old way".
 

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Finally getting caught up, but still behind from where I should be. More up on site.
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Finally getting caught up, but still behind from where I should be. More up on site.
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Something I noticed when walking by the site a few days ago is all the TTC poles in the middle of the sidewalk on the south side of King. Could they not have put them in the grassy area and had a clear sidewalk completely free of obstructions?
 

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