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During today's Council meeting there was a motion moved by Mayor Brown about replacing watermains, utilities, and doing streetscaping on Main Street, the LRT situation was mentioned by members of Council and staff. At one point, Councillor Doug Whillans tried to move the first motion to STOP the LRT on Main Street (the C325-2015 resolution I believe was the October 2015 motion to stop any LRT on Main Street), but then also implied he only wanted the tunnel motion, even though that's not what the motion said. The Clerk said that it would be a reconsideration motion and require 2/3rds. The Councillor then said he'd be okay with the tunnel, but the second motion below was passed so his motion became redundant and wasn't voted on. At one point, it sounded like Mayor Brown was/is leaning to the tunnel option, and indicated the preference by the current party in power at Queen's Park for underground transit (he's probably thinking of Eglinton West LRT and SSE). Of course, the Province just provided $1.7B for the Hamilton LRT, the OL has an above ground portion, and the YNSE has an above-ground portion.

Side note: I believe the 2018-522T motion from the previous term of Council and was for the Downtown Reimagined contract. It excluded surface or tunnel LRT. One media publication's take on this is here.

First motion:

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Staff later on noted that the results of the EA aren't done, and the EA has to follow due process and seemed to imply there would be legal risks to the City if the a decision was made before the EA results were done and the latest PIC results were known.

In response to a question, the GM of Brampton Transit (who is one of the LRT study point-people), said that staff hope to bring the next Main LRT report to Council at the end of June. Maybe the 23rd or 26th. It sounds like that will be the next opportunity for staff to comment on the two options (surface and tunnel) and to summarize the feedback from PIC No. 2. I think it's fairly predictable what the feedback will be and who had the time to participate.

The adopted (second) motion passed 11-0 and is here (screencapture of part of it):

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During today's Council meeting there was a motion moved by Mayor Brown about replacing watermains, utilities, and doing streetscaping on Main Street, the LRT situation was mentioned by members of Council and staff. At one point, Councillor Doug Whillans tried to move the first motion to STOP the LRT on Main Street (the C325-2015 resolution I believe was the October 2015 motion to stop any LRT on Main Street), but then also implied he only wanted the tunnel motion, even though that's not what the motion said. The Clerk said that it would be a reconsideration motion and require 2/3rds. The Councillor then said he'd be okay with the tunnel, but the second motion below was passed so his motion became redundant and wasn't voted on. At one point, it sounded like Mayor Brown was/is leaning to the tunnel option, and indicated the preference by the current party in power at Queen's Park for underground transit (he's probably thinking of Eglinton West LRT and SSE). Of course, the Province just provided $1.7B for the Hamilton LRT, the OL has an above ground portion, and the YNSE has an above-ground portion.

Side note: I believe the 2018-522T motion from the previous term of Council and was for the Downtown Reimagined contract. It excluded surface or tunnel LRT. One media publication's take on this is here.

First motion:

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Staff later on noted that the results of the EA aren't done, and the EA has to follow due process and seemed to imply there would be legal risks to the City if the a decision was made before the EA results were done and the latest PIC results were known.

In response to a question, the GM of Brampton Transit (who is one of the LRT study point-people), said that staff hope to bring the next Main LRT report to Council at the end of June. Maybe the 23rd or 26th. It sounds like that will be the next opportunity for staff to comment on the two options (surface and tunnel) and to summarize the feedback from PIC No. 2. I think it's fairly predictable what the feedback will be and who had the time to participate.

The adopted (second) motion passed 11-0 and is here (screencapture of part of it):

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Let’s be honest that the sight of transit is a blight on the Brampton communities world class streetscape.
 

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Let’s be honest that the sight of transit is a blight on the Brampton communities world class streetscape.
I was in contact with someone in contact with the higherups at Brampton, and the reality is even sadder. Brampton has listed in their 2040 Vision that the transportation priority in their region is Pedestrians > Cycling > Transit > Cars, and they're following that as literally as they can. The options shortlisted for this extension are A) Surface Level in Mixed Traffic, or B) Underground. Why Mixed Traffic? Because if its in its own separate lanes, they can't reduce the number of lanes on Main Street from 4 to 3 to give cyclists their own dedicated lanes. In other words, transit is being completely thrown in the dirt in favour of cycling.
 

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^ For context, the original HMLRT EPR had mixed running as well, from Nanwood to Wellington. This 2021 surface option is a shorter stretch of mixed running, from Wellington to Nelson St E for the turn into the terminal station next to the Brampton GO Station.
 

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I was in contact with someone in contact with the higherups at Brampton, and the reality is even sadder. Brampton has listed in their 2040 Vision that the transportation priority in their region is Pedestrians > Cycling > Transit > Cars, and they're following that as literally as they can. The options shortlisted for this extension are A) Surface Level in Mixed Traffic, or B) Underground. Why Mixed Traffic? Because if its in its own separate lanes, they can't reduce the number of lanes on Main Street from 4 to 3 to give cyclists their own dedicated lanes. In other words, transit is being completely thrown in the dirt in favour of cycling.

It should be noted that the "2040 Vision" document is just that. A vision document. The City of Brampton is going through an Official Plan update and updating its Transit and Transportation Master Plan. Those two documents probably give a more comprehensive overview of the context. Have you seen in any staff report for any road/LRT/BRT/BRT lite project since the start of this term the literal use of "Pedestrians > Cycling > Transit > Cars"? Happy to read if you have.

Also, isn't the use of "completely thrown" a little bit of an exaggeration? Even with the two block portion of surface mixed running, there will be some advantages to the LRT on Main and Hurontario compared to today's existing condition.
 

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It should be noted that the "2040 Vision" document is just that. A vision document. The City of Brampton is going through an Official Plan update and updating its Transit and Transportation Master Plan. Those two documents probably give a more comprehensive overview of the context. Have you seen in any staff report for any road/LRT/BRT/BRT lite project since the start of this term the literal use of "Pedestrians > Cycling > Transit > Cars"? Happy to read if you have.

Also, isn't the use of "completely thrown" a little bit of an exaggeration? Even with the two block portion of surface mixed running, there will be some advantages to the LRT on Main and Hurontario compared to today's existing condition.
This comes from a verbal confirmation with the head of Brampton's Official Plan Review Team, so unfortunately I do not have a written source. Take from that as you will.

I will add though that this prioritization of cycling > transit can be seen in other places as well. Bike lanes were installed along Main Street south, however council refuses the installation of bus lanes along the corridor, despite the fact that the bus lanes would carry 20k people per day, compared to the 750 people that would make use of the bike lanes. Part of that is allegedly because BT is concerned that bus lanes would prevent further upgrades, but in general the current council term has put the least amount of investment into transit compared to other modes like biking so far.
 

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^ In terms of that so-called prioritization, what about Queen St and the BRT planned there? Are you concerned that bike lanes will be added as part of that project and there will be negative impacts to the proposed BRT service quality/operations? Are there any other transit routes where you are worried that cycling infrastructure will be prioritized over good and evidence-based transit?
 
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^ In terms of that so-called prioritization, what about Queen St and the BRT planned there? Are you concerned that bike lanes will be added as part of that project and there will be negative impacts to the proposed BRT there? Are there any other transit routes where you are worried that cycling infrastructure will be prioritized over good and evidence-based transit?
Considering its a metrolinx project, probably not. Plus that corridor doesn't seem to struggle with space as much as Main Street, although the downtown segment near Main Street might be cut down. Its entirely possible that at least with the current city council, the BRT lanes in downtown Brampton might be cut in favour of bike lanes.
 

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^ Exactly addresses my point about the concern regarding the so-called prioritization list ("Brampton has listed in their 2040 Vision that the transportation priority in their region" (emphasis added)) trumping on an Official Plan/Master Plan/Project level every transit project in Brampton with somehow cycling infrastructure diluting transit projects. It's more complex than that. Metrolinx has a significant role with the Queen BRT.
 
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Dundas traffic lights are now working, but the concrete medium still needs to be remove. All existing fixtures gone.

Boy, they were going gang busters weeks ago placing poles at various intersections, but that it. Nothing strung for those poles as well being anchor down. No construction fencing up for the west side south of the 403 nor the bus platforms.
 

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More up on site
Hurontario LRT Zone (2) Port Credit Station To South Service Rd
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Intersection to be remove including bridge and road.
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New intersection and road extension to the west
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Hurontario LRT Zone (1) Port Credit Station
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