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Hamilton LRT (Metrolinx/City of Hamilton, Revived)

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This is all just theatrics on the part of council to make it appear that they're doing their due diligence and looking out for the interests of local tax payers. Ultimately they will majority approve the LRT and we can move past the bullshit.
 

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Here's hoping.

I still expect a majority here, but it may be close.

There will likely be 15 votes recorded tomorrow (one councillor is on long term sick leave), so 8 to majority. By my count 4 councillors & the Mayor are very vocal supporters of the LRT, so that will be 5 votes right there.

All that is needed is three more councillors to support it. We know the three Stoney Creek councillors will oppose, plus the Waterdown councillor, so we need 3 out of the remaining 6 councillors to support.

I think it will happen, but it will likely be an 8-7 or 9-6 vote.
 

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Here's hoping.

I still expect a majority here, but it may be close.

There will likely be 15 votes recorded tomorrow (one councillor is on long term sick leave), so 8 to majority. By my count 4 councillors & the Mayor are very vocal supporters of the LRT, so that will be 5 votes right there.

All that is needed is three more councillors to support it. We know the three Stoney Creek councillors will oppose, plus the Waterdown councillor, so we need 3 out of the remaining 6 councillors to support.

I think it will happen, but it will likely be an 8-7 or 9-6 vote.

Consider also that the vast sum of money for the project is being offered by traditionally adversarial political parties at two different levels of senior government. The fact that they are both aligned in support of the LRT makes it that much more politically distasteful to vote against for local councilors.
 

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Consider also that the vast sum of money for the project is being offered by traditionally adversarial political parties at two different levels of senior government. The fact that they are both aligned in support of the LRT makes it that much more politically distasteful to vote against for local councilors.

Indeed. They can kiss all future investment away if they vote this down.
 

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Great analysis here by Ryan.


1/ Some perspective on staff's range of operating costs for #HamOnt #yesLRT

2/ The high-end estimate of $16.5M per year is based on replacing the #10 B-Line but leaving the other three bus routes, and assumes zero ridership growth. This is simply not a realistic assumption.

3/ The low-end estimate of $6.4M is based on replacing the #10 and reducing the #1 and #5 by one-third, and assumes 8% ridership growth. That is more realistic than the high-end estimate but is still a very conservative assumption.

4/ Remember that ridership is projected to *double* over a decade. This is consistent with ridership growth in other similar LRT systems. So even the $6.4M low-end is actually very high.

5/ And this does not take into account new property tax revenue to the city from transit-oriented developments, which is eventually likely to amount to tens of millions of dollars a year.

6/ Nor does it take into account money saved by having higher levels of government pay for $250M in infrastructure renewal along the LRT corridor - including replacement of the Longwood Road overpass, which the city would otherwise have to pay for.

7/ Council keeps saying they want to expand transit service across the city. Here's a golden opportunity to redeploy 29 buses to underserved routes in every ward. (This would also require Council to show some leadership in phasing out area rating for transit.)

8/ But let's be clear: anyone who says they oppose LRT because of operating costs and then claims to support BRT instead is being wildly disingenuous, since BRT's operating costs would be *double* LRT's for the same level of service.

9/ Enough of the fearmongering. Enough of the anti-leadership. It's time Council does the right thing, acknowledges this offer exceeds even their own request when they submitted the LRT plan for funding consideration, and takes YES for an answer
 

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If someone offered to build me a house. It would be built in my city but I didn’t have any say in how it was built. Guess what I would take the free house and worry about how much it costs to heat and air condition later.
I say it everytime, cities shouldn't have their say in transit building. They can't see the forest from the trees.
I think it depends on context. Toronto, for example, already went through their "my drawn on a napkin plan is better" phase. Their council is much more evidence-based than it used to be, so I would respect their decisions. Whereas Hamilton is still going through that phase, so the senior government should pressure them to adopt their plan, especially since it's a pretty good plan for moving people + attracting development + reducing sprawl.
 

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I'm counting 7 votes right now in the council meeting in support - so only 1 of the 4 remaining uncertain councillors need to support for it to go forward.

Judie Partridge, the Waterdown councillor, is ridiculous. She's ranting on about how "concerning" it might be if a handful of HSR bus operators have to be laid off because of the project. Talk about grasping at straws. Nobody should ever make $3.4 billion decisions because a bus driver or two might get laid off for a year until ridership growth allows for them to be hired back.
 

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Final vote is 9-6. That is the same result as the last vote on the LRT in (I believe) 2018, though a few councillors have switched sides. Hamilton LRT is going to happen.

It was never in doubt honestly, yet extremely embarrassing nonetheless that it even came to this...

Start digging!

So is this the final, FINAL vote on this? No more chances to "appeal" today's decision?
 

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It was never in doubt honestly, yet extremely embarrassing nonetheless that it even came to this...

Start digging!

So is this the final, FINAL vote on this? No more chances to "appeal" today's decision?
unfortunately it isn't the final vote.

Once the MOU is prepared council has to approve it - that is the final vote.


Councillors know where they stand on this though, I expect that vote to go more or less the same as this one.

Today was the key "test" to see where councillors stand on the LRT as they haven't voted on it since it was revived. It more or less shows what councillors think of the project, and those thoughts are unlikely to change in a month or two.
 

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