Krypto98
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I believe the bigger issue is potentially hitting a loaded dump truck. Which the cems could withstand probably.
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drum118
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Its a safety issue period. It makes no different what hits that dump truck or what, someone can be injury, kill, equipment badly damage, come off the tracks or rollover depending on the speed of the train as well what it hit. Grade crossing accidents happens almost weekly/monthly in NA to all RR at one time or another.
CEM will withstand a hit better than the Series 2 just like a locomotive. If the Series 2 are on lines with next to no grade crossing, they stand a better chance of not hitting anything other than dumb trespassers.
RS3488
Active Member
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the refurbishment make them a bit more safer in terms of structure?
smallspy
Senior Member
The crews are not crazy about the old cabs. They are cramped and the layout is awkward.
That hasn't been a problem historically for the old equipment, either. There have been lots of grade crossing incidents over the years at all of the properties that operate BiLevels, the train generally doesn't get much damage as a rule.
Accidents involving rail-on-rail equipment, on the other hand, is what the CEM cars are actually designed to deal with. Thankfully, that isn't something that is all that common on the various commuter networks.
How is that supposed to happen exactly? All they did was reinstall some piping and electrical wires, replace the interior panels, and repaint them.
Dan
RS3488
Active Member
Along with the 6 packs returning, there is something else to note.
Loco 558, an F59PH, has been placed on a 6 pack by itself and is running on some of the off peak Kitchener, Barrie, and Stouffville trains. I remember the F59s were only being used for the London and Niagara trains for the past few months.
Loco 558, an F59PH, has been placed on a 6 pack by itself and is running on some of the off peak Kitchener, Barrie, and Stouffville trains. I remember the F59s were only being used for the London and Niagara trains for the past few months.
Allandale25
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RS3488
Active Member
What options could be chosen. The only new passenger locomotives in the market at the moment is the Siemens Charger and EMD F125, although I suspect an Alstom built locomotive could be in the running too.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Well, Metra just took delivery of Progress Rail’s SD70MACH which I pray Metrolinx isn’t considering. Pictured below.
If I was EMD, I’d try to bid hard with the F125. The initial kinks with the Metrolink (USA) delivery seemed to be worked out, and they need more customers to compete with Siemens. One would assume they have more manufacturing capacity available too. F125 pictured below.
Who knows, maybe there is a wildcard in the mix, maybe a new model of locomotive? Time will tell!
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RS3488
Active Member
Well while I doubt Metrolinx will order refurbished freight locos, there is a part of me that actually thinks these locomotives be rebuilt used locomotives.
Considering that the procurement process still isn't done and the locos are expected within less than 2 years, it seems less and less likely 8 locos could be built shipped and delivery to MX within such a short time frame.
Keep in mind there are a lot of used passenger locomotives entering the market, it would also be a lot cheaper then buying 13 new locomotives.
Willybru21
Active Member
There’s also an option in the contract to extend it to a total of 33 new locomotives, but I’m not sure if this affects on weather it’ll be second hand or brand new ones.
cplchanb
Senior Member
dont even give via a chance to buy more walking dead locos. the last thing they need to rejuvenate are more old second hadn equipment. weve been spending 60 years on used cars.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Its more like they need a customer PERIOD. this thing hasnt sold to a single customer after the first batch.
T3G
Senior Member
I don't think you appreciate that transportation agencies don't govern themselves on cheap populist soundbites like "walking dead locos".
They are a business, and so money will guide the decision making process. New equipment will be procured if it is the cheaper choice. On the other hand, second hand equipment will be purchased, or old stock refurbished, if that comes down to being the more economical choice. This is it. There is no secret conspiracy to disgrace the Canadian rail industry, or purposefully withhold new equipment from passengers out of spite, it is an economic move to save money.
Now I will disclose I do not, obviously, have access to any operator's financial information and to see what they are or aren't thinking. But if the decision making process ends up favouring old equipment, are you willing to pay extra fare to get new equipment? In times of inflation like this, we should be avoiding frivolous spending. If we can get a better deal through second hand or refurbishing, we should be doing just that.
cplchanb
Senior Member
considering we are paying a hefty price to scrape the living out of the HEP fleet just to keep them alive is proof enouigh that the frugalness in the long term doesnt work. try replacing these end of life relics now with the parts shortages and extreme inflation. we have no choice but to contiunue to waste money on these obsolete dinos.
T3G
Senior Member
What relics are you referring to, exactly? With the exception of the two EMD switchers, VIA's oldest locomotives are 35 years old, the F40PH. For locomotives, which are built to very heavy standards and can withstand a lot, this seems like a reasonable general timeframe to be replacing them in. When exactly would you have replaced them???