kEiThZ
Superstar
What's the timeline for all these lines to be RER'd? Anybody have that info?
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GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx
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Neutrino
Senior Member
I'll keep that in mind next time nfitz brings it up lol
Neutrino
Senior Member
I actually agree with you that no party is clean on the transit file (or any other for that matter). Couldn't let the bullshit about neo nazis go. Equity (as in equality of outcome, as opposed to opportunity is a far left position). Should have probably quoted that passage on its own instead of the whole post.
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Mapleson
Active Member
Laundry list of random replies:
1) RER bid teams - https://www.infrastructureontario.c...lected-RER-GO-Regional-Express-Rail-Corridor/
2) TC should be in process to accept Alternative FRA compliance by end of next year, hopefully sooner.
3) RER timelines will be decided by the winning bidder, but incentivized to introduce the most service as soon as possible. I’d guess the winning strategy would be to maximize Kitchener first, then Lakeshore West to Oakville. Barrie has to wait for the diamond and LSE has a bunch of grade separations to do.
1) RER bid teams - https://www.infrastructureontario.c...lected-RER-GO-Regional-Express-Rail-Corridor/
2) TC should be in process to accept Alternative FRA compliance by end of next year, hopefully sooner.
3) RER timelines will be decided by the winning bidder, but incentivized to introduce the most service as soon as possible. I’d guess the winning strategy would be to maximize Kitchener first, then Lakeshore West to Oakville. Barrie has to wait for the diamond and LSE has a bunch of grade separations to do.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
When will Metrolinx actually decide who wins the contract? If they are going catenary they better get a move on because they will have to electrify the entire 200km RER system and order the trains all to be running by 2025. Did they mention when the proposals have to be in by and when the decision will be announced?
nfitz
Superstar
I don't think they're even confirmed when they'll issue the request for proposals yet - Let alone when they are due and when they'll announce the winner!
dowlingm
Senior Member
Has TC said this publicly somewhere?
raptor
Senior Member
During the announcement they said the RFP will be released the next day (so, yesterday). Watch the video.
Allandale25
Senior Member
For something this size I would assume at least a one year RFP timeline. So, they may get the bids back in May 2020 and then make a decision. Maybe the gov would need six months to make a decision and see if the bids have costs the gov is willing to live with? IE how close do the two bidders come to 13B
nfitz
Superstar
Probably more likely in a week or two then. No indication on the IO website that they were issuing last week. 24-hours would be an unprecedented turn-around from IO.
When does the contract with Bombardier expire? That might give us some idea of what they are targeting.
rbt
Senior Member
2023.
steveintoronto
Superstar
I find your point interesting....but bordering on fantasy. Exactly how is the 'Brampton to Georgetown' segment going to be addressed? Or do you mean just to Bramalea, as the RER scheme always presented?
Yeahhh...I'm not being a doubting Thomas on this, just I'd love to see a reference in print. And what conditions placed on it if approved?
Words are cheap. Show me a signed *binding* agreement, one this QP regime can't "legislate" away. That point continues into CIB investment too, even though it's "debt financed" something meticulously avoided being mentioned at the "announcement". Odd that...
And yes, I have posed some 'trick' questions and points there, to which I say to this regime: "tou·ché". Who backstops whom? When does the taxpayer finally have claim to something two levels of government have played financial football with?
Or does the 'buck stop' with private investors who accept all the risk of financing the debt behind this? Answers are needed.
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Mapleson
Active Member
Yes, I was mostly referring to the RER segment that doesn't extend into the CN territory. Since the Freight Bypass was cancelled in April's budget, the only way you electrify all the way to Kitchener is using some battery technology to bridge that section.
I am very skeptical about it myself, and it's based on a chain of recognitions, but it's the closest we've ever been to realising lighter trains.
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...tive-compliance-and-high-speed-trainsets#h-42
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/railsafety/rules-tco26-356.htm
16.1 has "Unless otherwise specified in these rules, new equipment ordered after April 1, 2001 shall be designed and constructed in accordance with the Safety Standards of the latest revision in effect at the time of order of the "American Public Transit Association (APTA) Manual of Standards And Recommended Practices For Passenger Rail Equipment", or equivalent standard. "
So if the APTA adopts the FRAs alternative compliance standards, then TC will adopt and accept it by default.
There is nothing QP can sign that QP can't break. However, this private debt regime lets them put billions of debts on the books, but not have it officially count against the deficit.
The buck stop with the taxpayer always. P3 are a good way to keep debt off the books, but when things get risky, the joint-venture vehicle can just declare bankruptcy and walk away. Canada doesn't have laws that support going after the parent company in such instances, so they get all the upside if things of well and none of the downside if things go poorly. When a procurement grows to this size, the government has a vested interest to pour more money into the pit just to avoid a bigger gaping hole in the future. I don't agree with the model, but I'm highly confident that the Conservatives will back this all the so long as they can sign the final deal before the next election. If it spills over that, it's fair game for years of lost time.
Mapleson
Active Member
Four bidders and $13B is the infrastructure costs. You can probably assume $1B+ per year in operating costs (ignoring fare revenues). I'd also be surprised if they'd evaluate the bids so quickly, knowing government in general. I'd be guessing 2-2.5 years for everything, which gives a timeline of 1 year for each half and 3 months delay on each half getting it done.
raptor
Senior Member
This link has been updated:
GO Rail Expansion - GO Regional Express Rail On Corridor
GO Rail Expansion will transform the transportation network in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area over the next decade. Metrolinx will transform the GO Transit rail network into a system that will deliver two-way, all-day service every 15 minutes over core segments of the GO Rail network...
www.infrastructureontario.ca