^ there was a TPAP for electrification started for the Georgetown-Kitchener portion I believe. Ran into opposition from some residents I. Guelph because of the proposed location for a Traction Power Station. I think the documents are online somewhere.
Update: here's the link
A TPAP is an environmental assessment that studies the environmental impacts or effects of transit projects, and provides proposed mitigation. This streamlined approach helps to protect the environment, and allows for feedback through regular consultation from communities and stakeholders. The...
Thanks for this. Checking it out, it really seems like they didn't bother much at all with relocating the power station- for that matter, what is a traction power station for, and why can't it be located elsewhere? Does it need to be near a station?
Electrification is only being seriously pursued where there are plans for sufficient frequency of trains and/or enough stops are being made in a short distance to demand the acceleration and braking. We may assume there will be frequency, but ML may not actually plan that to be the case, at least for now..
If you look at the RER business case (which may no longer be the roadmap, but anyways......) you will find that the really intensive 15 minute 2WAD is not being proposed all the way to the ends of some corridors. For the outlying areas, hourly service or less may be all that's proposed - and there is no economic case for putting those lighter used segments under wires.
Both freight railways are adamant about not allowing wires on their tracks. One may feel that they should rethink that, but they show no signs of being inclined to do so.
I will check the roadmap, but my main takeaway is that for the short extension to Hamilton, distance to the next stop is likely not
the issue, rather it's the plethora of other issues of expanding GO service in Hamilton.
After reading through the roadmap, there is no indication of electrification beyond the currently determined bounds. What it does indicate is higher service levels beyond said points, ie. 30 min service to WH and hourly to Hunter GO (don't know how they plan on doing that). This is in line with what I assumed the situation was. The segments beyond the current electrification plan also could
justify being electrified, it comes down to track ownership primarily. As you mentioned, we are not going to electrify freight lines because they would never agree; this is the primary reason why electrification isn't going to mt Pleasant (part of the contiguous GTHA) or Hamilton. These places are close enough to the soon-to-be electrified network, and have populations/densities that could easily justify wires if GO owned the track. I'd wager most traffic at Aldershot is Hamiltonians taking advantage of the serious improvement in service compared to WH or Hunter GO. Not to mention, the Barrie Line certainly does not need to be electrified all the way to the end if we are talking about places that 'deserve 15-minute intensive service'. It is being electrified because GO owns the corridor. They will probably not run 15-min 2WAD service to Barrie, but the wires will be there.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting your point here. Are you suggesting instead that service to these outlying areas would be better accommodated by long-haul express services on diesel locos? Ie, most Hamilton/Kitchener/Mt. Pleasant/Bowmanville traffic is actually intercity-style commutes to downtown Toronto? If so, that suggests the electrified, 'local' service can only be justified on the currently-planned electrified corridors. I'd disagree with this, but I am curious as to what you are getting at. My initial question was mostly pertaining to if
GO had plans that looked at/recognized the value of extending electrification to locations that are
a stone's throw away from other stations. Ie, Bowmanville, Hamilton and Mt. Pleasant/Kitchener (kept Kitchener as further discussion shows its been on the table before). My knowledge is pertaining to Hamilton mostly, but I am inferring that you think these locations are not worthy of electrification because they are too far
, not because there are other, more insurmountable challenges in the way.
Edit: This is the report I looked at: https://www.metrolinx.com/en/docs/p..._BoardMtg_GO_Expansion_Full_Business_Case.PDF