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kali

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I'm just glad we didn't build the Don Mills LRT as part of TC. That would have really hamstrung any attempt to provide meaningful relief north of Bloor.
 

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So what you're saying is that since 2010 not much has happened yet people think conservatives are their answer to transit utopia. Meanwhile I seem to notice the 401 gets wider and wider.
I mean the Ontario liberals were in power for the majority of 2010's so I dont see what your point is
 

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I mean the Ontario liberals were in power for the majority of 2010's so I dont see what your point is
And Stephen Harper, a conservative, was in power at 24 Sussex until 2015.

Are you suggesting the only way to get something built is to have the city, province, and feds all either PC or Liberal to get something done?

Miller (left) McGuinty (left) Harper (right) = something happening

Ford (right) Wynne (Left) Harper (right) = Nothing happening

Tory (right) Ford (right) Trudeau (left) = Nothing happening
 

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With respect to politics, I think the feds are too far removed from Toronto to have much of impact. City and provincial ineptitude is probably more to blame than the stripe of the party in Ottawa. I feel like if the city and province are on the same page more or less and present a coherent funding ask to the feds, the latter would almost always grant it (exceptions notwithstanding).

And Stephen Harper, a conservative, was in power at 24 Sussex until 2015.

Are you suggesting the only way to get something built is to have the city, province, and feds all either PC or Liberal to get something done?

Miller (left) McGuinty (left) Harper (right) = something happening

Ford (right) Wynne (Left) Harper (right) = Nothing happening

Tory (right) Ford (right) Trudeau (left) = Nothing happening
Yeah, as we can see, the common factor is dysfunctional relations between the city and province.
 
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And Stephen Harper, a conservative, was in power at 24 Sussex until 2015.

Are you suggesting the only way to get something built is to have the city, province, and feds all either PC or Liberal to get something done?

Miller (left) McGuinty (left) Harper (right) = something happening

Ford (right) Wynne (Left) Harper (right) = Nothing happening

Tory (right) Ford (right) Trudeau (left) = Nothing happening
The province is where most transit planning and action actually happens. The feds simply give stimulus funds and the city makes up plans, but the real meat of any transit capital is from provincial leaders. They both have the actual jurisdiction to make things happen as well as the money.
 

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401 gets widened most likely because the MTO isn't really intermingled with political squabbling and can pretty much do whatever they want as long as its in their budget.
Ugh why cant politicians leave Metrolinx alone, like they leave MTO alone. The organization is completely and utterly dysfunctional
 

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With respect to politics, I think the feds are too far removed from Toronto to have much of impact. City and provincial ineptitude is probably more to blame than the stripe of the party in Ottawa. I feel like if the city and province are on the same page more or less and present a coherent funding ask to the feds, the latter would almost always grant it (exceptions notwithstanding).



Yeah, as we can see, the common factor is dysfunctional relations between the city and province.
If we could obliterate either the provincial or municipal government, things would go a lot smoother in this city
 

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Ugh why cant politicians leave Metrolinx alone, like they leave MTO alone. The organization is completely and utterly dysfunctional
Because politicians for some reason think they're experts when it comes to transit, even though 95% of them dont use it.

They cant do the same thing with healthcare, law, education, science, etc because they'll get laughed out of the room. Those arent industries where you can come up with BS daily and get away with it because you'll get called out on it by industry leaders and professional associations. With transit, there's no real professional association with teeth that can actually hold them accountable.
 

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If we could obliterate either the provincial or municipal government, things would go a lot smoother in this city
At one point in history the TTC did a great job managing itself and expansion. Things started going downhill once the province got involved.

Because politicians for some reason think they're experts when it comes to transit, even though 95% of them dont use it.

They cant do the same thing with healthcare, law, education, science, etc because they'll get laughed out of the room. Those arent industries where you can come up with BS daily and get away with it because you'll get called out on it by industry leaders and professional associations. With transit, there's no real professional association with teeth that can actually hold them accountable.
Good point.

Politicians can look like experts on transit simply by saying it should go where people in a particular area want it.
 

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If we could obliterate either the provincial or municipal government, things would go a lot smoother in this city
That's when Toronto becomes its own province. The municipal government and the provincial government would be merged in the province of Toronto.
 

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The problem with transit planning in Toronto is that Torontonians keep voting for the bozos who keep scuttling each other's plans. So really Torontonians are getting what they pay for. I mean vote for. All Ontarians are expected to actually pay for the nonsense.
 

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Only if they really leave MTO alone. MTO builds whatever the current government is funding and their priorities.
It would be interesting to compare how much navel-gazing and “studies completed but never actioned” there is at MTO. I bet there is just as much wasted planning effort and politically-driven priority shifting/reversal in road construction as in transit. We hear far less about that wasted effort in road building, but every new government does rearrange these plans . Many of the “next decade” highways ideas get their studies updated every few years, also, and as development doesn’t happen as once assumed needs do change.

Being a Ministry, and not a separate agency, they may be able to conceal all this planning better than ML can.

- Paul
 

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