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[AlbertC]

Dockside​

1846 & 1900 Brock Street South, Whitby​

Developer: Brookfield Homes
Units: 1,257
Storeys: 12, 33, 33, 33, 15 and 21
East Parcel GFA: 1,053,399 sq.ft
West Parcel GFA: 339,288 sq.ft

Project website:

Dockside

Whitby Dockside

docksidewhitby.ca

More info and renderings:

Dockside - Whitby Waterfront Development | CORE Architects Inc.

Dockside is a ten-tower mixed-use development overlooking the waterfront located in Whitby, Ontario.

www.corearchitects.com

 

[cd concept]

Wow ! Here we go with intensifying Whitby shores nice buildings ! This development will probably bring in more highrises development in this area!

 

[Undead]

Obligatory "better than Toronto waterfront" comment...

Nice clean geometric shapes, though.

 

[billyt23]

To my memory this is not the first high density residential proposal for this plot of land. If you check out the street view from 2009 you can see that there was a development proposal back then too. Street view from 2011 shows the partial removal/removal of the vegetation from the site.
Brookfield Residential also owns the land across Brock Street from this site that can be see in the right side of render that I quote.

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[Northern Light]

Dockside​

1846 & 1900 Brock Street South, Whitby​

Developer: Brookfield Homes
Units: 1,257
Storeys: 12, 33, 33, 33, 15 and 21
East Parcel GFA: 1,053,399 sq.ft
West Parcel GFA: 339,288 sq.ft

Project website:

Dockside

Whitby Dockside

docksidewhitby.ca

More info and renderings:

Dockside - Whitby Waterfront Development | CORE Architects Inc.

Dockside is a ten-tower mixed-use development overlooking the waterfront located in Whitby, Ontario.

www.corearchitects.com

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Not clear to me at first blush, and I will have a more detailed look later; is the intent to provide for public access to the water's edge?

 

[Northern Light]

To my memory this is not the first high density residential proposal for this plot of land. If you check out the street view from 2009 you can see that there was a development proposal back then too. Street view from 2011 shows the partial removal/removal of the vegetation from the site.
Brookfield Residential also owns the land across Brock Street from this site that can be see in the right side of render that I quote.

They've definitely had waterfront hiccups:

Waterfront projects sink in Whitby

THE ISSUE: Cancellation of convention centre, hotel and restaurant projects sparks mixed feelings LOCAL IMPACT: Heydenshore Pavilion reopens for community use while town changes gears in waterfront...

www.durhamregion.com

 

[ProjectEnd]

There isn't a hope in hell of this happening.

 

[Msleylar]

Wow, this is much more intense than the previous 8-10 storey versions that were floating around.

 

[innsertnamehere]

There isn't a hope in hell of this happening.

Why not? PSF too low in Whitby still? It keeps costs fairly low by having above grade parking.

 

[ProjectEnd]

No Whitby market for this kind of thing, especially down here. Just north, you can get a good size townhouse with two yards for under $750k (asking).

I'd wonder what they're ballparking for their construction costs - it's more expensive to build beside water and there's no seawall here yet. It's also an extravagant design - multi-storey bridges, cantilevers, huge retail spaces. I just don't see it happening.

 

[AHK]

No Whitby market for this kind of thing, especially down here. Just north, you can get a good size townhouse with two yards for under $750k (asking).

I'd wonder what they're ballparking for their construction costs - it's more expensive to build beside water and there's no seawall here yet. It's also an extravagant design - multi-storey bridges, cantilevers, huge retail spaces. I just don't see it happening.

From my perspective - the Dockside Whitby project would appeal to, be directed at the more mature, children are gone, downsizing market - totally different from townhouse or single detached with yards. Younger couple DINCs as well (Double Income No Children). Singles, and families with children not so much. A good analogy would be some of the waterfront developments in Oakville, downtown Burlington, even Mississauga and along Queens Quay itself.

The overall design speaks to an upper end luxury market willing to pay a fair price (i.e. a premium) for the waterside location, the design, and good amenities.

With Brookfield behind this, there should be no question of the financial ability to accommodate the project, or the ability to handle the timeframe required to bring it to fruition.

 

[interchange42]

From my perspective - the Dockside Whitby project would appeal to, be directed at the more mature, children are gone, downsizing market - totally different from townhouse or single detached with yards. Younger couple DINCs as well (Double Income No Children). Singles, and families with children not so much. A good analogy would be some of the waterfront developments in Oakville, downtown Burlington, even Mississauga and along Queens Quay itself.

The overall design speaks to an upper end luxury market willing to pay a fair price (i.e. a premium) for the waterside location, the design, and good amenities.

With Brookfield behind this, there should be no question of the financial ability to accommodate the project, or the ability to handle the timeframe required to bring it to fruition.

Will Whitby get some of the crowd who are retiring to the Oakville or Burlington waterfronts though? Those two have pedestrian-friendly downtowns to walk to, while Whitby's is a couple kilometres north across the 401.

42

 

[Northern Light]

Map with a red pin representing the site for those that want the context a bit more clearly:

Next, the regulatory floodplain map. Interestingly, despite being right on the harbour, the majority of the site is outside the floodplain. The n/e corner, however, is not.

Floodplain is the darker blue. The dots are the existing route of the Waterfront Trail

Aerial view of the site:

This streetview shot is at the south of end of the site, where Water Street curves, it looks, to me, (as a lay person) that it should sit above the high-water line..........but I do wonder about storm surge.

Streeview of the site, from Brock Street; shows as 2018.

Looking back at Streetview from 2009...........they cleared alot of trees off this site:

 

[ProjectEnd]

From my perspective - the Dockside Whitby project would appeal to, be directed at the more mature, children are gone, downsizing market - totally different from townhouse or single detached with yards. Younger couple DINCs as well (Double Income No Children). Singles, and families with children not so much. A good analogy would be some of the waterfront developments in Oakville, downtown Burlington, even Mississauga and along Queens Quay itself.

The overall design speaks to an upper end luxury market willing to pay a fair price (i.e. a premium) for the waterside location, the design, and good amenities.

With Brookfield behind this, there should be no question of the financial ability to accommodate the project, or the ability to handle the timeframe required to bring it to fruition.

Sure, there may be a couple of folks who fit that profile, but are there ~1.5m GFA of those folks? I sincerely doubt it. Moreover, as @interchange42 indicates - there are competitors for those same buyers. Competitors who aren't trying to position their offering beside one of the largest areas of manufacturing and heavy industrial employment in the GTA:

 

[Towered]

Will Whitby get some of the crowd who are retiring to the Oakville or Burlington waterfronts though? Those two have pedestrian-friendly downtowns to walk to, while Whitby's is a couple kilometres north across the 401.

42

I was going to say, this looks like something you'd see proposed in a place like Bronte, which I'd consider to be much more appealing than this location...

What was here before?