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socialwoe
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You can't have your RT extension zig-zagging across Scarborough. How will it turn north? Are you going to demolish all the buildings at that intersection? With that crazy routing, it won't even save much time for people from Malvern.
It would join the Progress n-s alignment from Ellesmere cutting through the gap between the apts on the east hand side. The TTC would also acquire the uppermost level of the parking lot adjoining the 2050 Ellesmere property, hence park and ride on the same floor .
But you just don't explain why you would want to link Durham to Peel. Nobody would take a subway from Durham to Peel, especially when the whole area could be served much more cheaply with regional rail.
Probably not everyone, but at least 10,000s would now have better than bus service. Several major cities have subway lines ran out to areas with less than 20,000 ppd. Why? Cause they're not being left behind! A crosstown line would likely see upwards a quarter million passengers a day, especially if tied in with the ACC/Pearson and SE Scarborough/Durham gateway. Think less traffic on the 401, less smog, less surface routes, more accessibilty, revitalization/dentrification stimulated, generates employment, makes getting across the city within an hour finally a posssibility (tell me when you've witnessed the 401 not gridlocked/traffic congested?) and the list goes on!
Transfers from regional rail to subway do take time, but the total travel time is much lower if the trip isn't taken all by subway since the stops are much less frequent.
Yeah cause a gauranteed every 90 seconds subway with a 10 sec interval per stops spread farther apart than BD is so much worse than 20 min or longer waits for commuter trains !
If dozens of other routes throughout the city were already built, an extension east as far as about UTSC wouldn't be so bad. West Hill is clearly too far and better served by a regional rail service.
You do realize you have to go through West Hill to access UTSC don't you? Yes Queen/DRL, BD and YUS extensions are higher priorities but Eglinton East/Kingston is so dense up to the Highland Creek area, it'd be a colossal mistake to ignore it indefinitely.
The TTC studied the subway option and determined that it wouldn't have any impact on existing RT operations.
Okey-dokey then!
No, it doesn't benefit them at all. People aren't going to take a bus east from Milliken only to go west again, or north from UTSC, only to go south again.
Except UTSC already does via 38 to STC. Unless a line approached the campus from the south they're grin****ed! As for Milliken, the massive regional bus terminal at Palmeston Place (Sheppard-Markham) would accomodate express service following Sheppard clockwise up McCowan to Hwy 7 then loop back down Markham via Markham-Stoufville Hosp.
Dig through the forum. You'll probably find the report.
When the heck would I find the time to do that :eek !
Have you ever been there? Of course it does! Not to mention all the connecting bus routes from the east.
Sheppard and Eglinton combined takes care of the heaviest traffic. It's wasteful to spend all available funds just for the sake of Thorncliffe Park, Donway and Graydon Hall when the trains will resemble half-empty throughout most of the day and would within 5 mins away from a subway via BRT.
That's just it: what does "complete the system" even mean? Why does the system necessarily have to run from one political boundary to another? What if there are lots and lots of people just on the other side of Steeles, but undeveloped parkland on the far east side of this city?
It means by the end of the century you'd still neglect parts of the city cause it doesn't meet your standards of population nodes! Berlin Wall coming to a city near you!
It took the TTC 6 months to punch the Pemberton bus exit through at Finch station.
Right, so a handful of condo owners in constrast to hundreds of 000s commuters results in equal demand and urgency?
The Ellesmere stop doesn't matter! It's a red herring. It's the politicians' anti-subway scapegoat.
Tell that to the 15, 000 plus current users of E+Midland not to mention the 000s more that'd be added once the interchange is eliminated and accessibilty increased.
There's absolutely nothing there that isn't also at Midland.
I get deebs for renaming the station. Tired of the a-holes asking "Is it named after the president?" anyway!
We have a useless toy train that needs to be put down. A subway removes the transfer, getting everyone in NE Scarborough downtown faster, and it has the capacity to handle growth
I love the choice of words "toy train" and "put down". Could you be any more condescending? So is it a rabid, mangy animal or a defective vehicle that's a choking hazard for toddlers? It's ironic I get flak for the mere suggestion of building a condo near R.C. Harris yet you're willing to abandon over 20 years of history so easily without batting an eyebrow.
the 42 (Cummer) could run into Morningside Heights and it would take them to Finch station faster than the 133C usually gets them to STC.
McNicoll barely runs past Markham. Your overtly complicated plan just reeks of mediocrity when the most obvious solution is, as I've always said, a subway. 133C forever ride? Subway. Hwy detour cutting off Oakmeadow/Centenary? Subway! forever trip to Finch Stn? Subway!! These people don't want or deserve less than any other citizen in the GTA when the lines' so close and a preexisting ROW's even closer. Check out the RTES report and see NE Scarborough as a job density matching STC's and even parts of downtown's. Stop treating it like shit under your boot >: !
They could implement rocket service, or a STC to UTSC direct express that could get there as fast as a car.
Wow you wouldn't stop 'til I had to suggest it! Since you're so against BD east of McCowan or a subway out to Morningside and further east which cannot currently support one or BD in the SRT alignment, why not run your McCowan line upto Milliken (but for pete's sake include Huntingwood and McNicoll intermediates) and have the SRT run to UTSC/Rouge Hill? (note: this option frees up Sheppard to service Malvern directly).
There'd be another stop a bit to the west, at Allanford/Agincourt Mall/Kennedy...you make it sound like the station at the junction is the only one on the whole line. The area is ripe for redevelopment...
Will Birchmount ever get it's own stop :\ ! God forbid anyone east of Kennedy wants a Sheppard line too!
that would receive virtually no benefits from your silly subways, you're easily talking about more people than would be served by said silly bits.
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Jane- Hwy 7, 407, Steeles, Finch (LRT/peripheral access)
Sheppard, Lawrence/Trethewey (DRL), Eglinton, St Clair
(512), Bloor, Lakeshore (South Kingsway).
Don Mills- Finch (LRT), Sheppard, Lawrence (LRT), Eglinton.
I'm talking about Finch West...the Sheppard subway should run along Finch west of York U - even the Network 2011 plan thought it should.
Jane-Finch aside nothing warrants it til Albion Rd. Sheppard West in constrast has very residential zone til Jane, a golf course that can be redeveloped into whatever, whenever (the hard part's already taken care of ), Hwy 400/Arrow industrial-factory employment outlet area, Humberlea community, 'downtown' Rexdale, GO stop(s), Dixon nodes, direct/idirect service to Pearson via interlines Eglinton and all the nodes along the 27 plus more favorable appraoch to the mall.
As if your ridiculous plans would "complete" the subway system. Given unlimited money, you'd build a subway to Starspray before the Don Mills line. The dozens and dozens of people who use the Lawrence bus out there every day would thank you. Or, they'd get on a GO train and curse you for wasting billion$ on a subway to the 416 equivalent of Siberia.
Total bullock right there! I did say 'every line imaginable' so if you felt a line to Major Mac or Hurontario was necessary it'd be built first. This is the last-last thing I'd implement, however to Morningside would be done decades earlier as the demand for it's there now, from yesterday! And they would not curse me cause I spared them from pnuemonia (by the way how can you rejoice in me contracting it? Shame on you!) standing in arctic tundra for upto an hour between when work ends and the train arrives, getting shipped off to an undesired destination resulting in back-tracking for twice the cost of the subway anyway :evil ! Direct, safe, one-way travel. Can't go wrong with a formula like that!