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Those shelters will be tagged in no time. Probably with the slogan: "A Place To Grow"
To be fair, it's one of the main lines in the song A Place to Stand, a Place to Grow, which is Ontario's unofficial anthem. Not a fan of Ford's meddling, but it's quite a fitting slogan for Ontario.
 

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This NYT article is about the flawed delivery of the O-Train in Ottawa. However, it's directly related to the Crosstown LRT, as SNC-Lavalin is delivering the ECLRT as part of the P3 consortium.

A few excerpts for those too lazy to click the link, but you really should check out the full article.

SNC-Lavalin Is the Talk of Ottawa Again, if in a Very Different Context

But almost from opening day, a slew of problems appeared. Somehow, passengers holding doors open — a not approved but common practice found on nearly every transit system — crippled trains. Parts of trains, including a door, fell off, leading to other disruptions. The system used by the trains, made by the French-owned company Alstom, to pull electricity from overhead wires sometimes creates terrifyingly loud and bright electrical arcsbefore shutting down. Long sections of that wiring have also collapsed. Train control system and computer failures have brought traffic to a halt. The steel wheels on cars developed flat spots, forcing their removal from service. Switches froze when winter came.
The result of all of this is that only 13 trains are in service most of the time, rather than the promised 15. Some days it’s much worse. Last week only six trains were running during one rush-hour period; some rush hours have had no service.
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building and construction and construction financing of Ottawa’s system was turned over to a specially created company owned by ACS Infrastructure, a Spanish engineering company; Ellis-Don, a construction company based in Mississauga, Ontario; and SNC-Lavalin, the Montreal-based engineering company that was the talk of Ottawa for other reasonsthis time last year. Those three companies also received a second contract from the city to maintain the system for the next 30 years.
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SNC-Lavalin, ACS and Ellis-Don are also among the members of a different public-private partnership building an extensive light rail line in Toronto. Last month that project announced a major delay in opening.
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failure of the private vendors to quickly resolve the problems in Ottawa is puzzling particularly given that the city has refused to pay the consortium millions of dollars in monthly maintenance fees and that the city is attempting to bill the consortium for the cost of things like the parallel bus service — factors that, according to theory, should prompt swift action.​
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Ottawa, Professor Siemiatycki said, is also demonstrating another drawback of many public-private deals: secrecy. Confidentiality clauses in contracts meant that as the opening was repeatedly delayed, the contractors’ consortium stayed largely silent. More recently, its maintenance company has offered some public comments, but it is hardly a model of transparency. The municipal transit service has been left to do the talking.
 

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SNC-Lavalin Is the Talk of Ottawa Again, if in a Very Different Context
I'm terrified that the Crosstown LRT is destined to go down the same path as the O-Train. Very similar DBFM contracts, involving SNC, are being utilized to deliver both projects. And the secrecy and confidentiality surrounding the ECLRT (and also the Ontario Line) should look very familiar to all of us.

Given how hastily Crosslinx is attempting to deliver the Crosstown, I really have no expectation that they'll be delivering a quality product. Nor do I have any expectation that Metrolinx will be holding their feet to the fire.
 

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Nothing is 100% done, until it's done. See the O-Train fiasco...
100% Complete and open to the public and under operation are different things. I am sure the latter will be true by that date, which is the relevant question to those concerned about purchasing condos along the Eglinton corridor.
 

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100% Complete and open to the public and under operation are different things. I am sure the latter will be true by that date, which is the relevant question to those concerned about purchasing condos along the Eglinton corridor.
People move in and actually live in condos and sub-divisions before they are completely finished. They could be living in one home, while workers are still working on the unit next door. Landscaping (grass, driveway, etc.), for example, can be delayed for up to a year.
 

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^Decor and finish don’t have to be complete, but fire and other safety systems do. That in itself may be hard to complete within a couple of years.

Simple “last minute” things like stair treads and handrails which are code mandated may not be installable until the decorative stage. Likewise wayfinding and code-related signage.

No fire, electrical, and building code signoffs.... no opening.

- Paul
 

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Hi all,

Question for Crosstown experts:

I understand that the original Transit City era Crosstown had more of the line above ground, until Ford came in and made more of the line underground, although not fully underground as he had intended. Which sections were changed?
 

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Hi all,

Question for Crosstown experts:

I understand that the original Transit City era Crosstown had more of the line above ground, until Ford came in and made more of the line underground, although not fully underground as he had intended. Which sections were changed?
The Crosstown LRT is fundamentally the same as the Transit City era. Biggest modification was the addition of a surface station at Leslie, although that didn’t have anything to do with Ford
 

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There was a brief period where the section in Scarborough was proposed as underground during the Ford council.

Probably wouldn't have been a bad idea in retrospect considering that the Golden Mile has several proposals with downtown-like density development.
 

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^Decor and finish don’t have to be complete, but fire and other safety systems do. That in itself may be hard to complete within a couple of years.

Simple “last minute” things like stair treads and handrails which are code mandated may not be installable until the decorative stage. Likewise wayfinding and code-related signage.

No fire, electrical, and building code signoffs.... no opening.

- Paul
See Berlin Brandenburg.
 
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Hi all,

Question for Crosstown experts:

I understand that the original Transit City era Crosstown had more of the line above ground, until Ford came in and made more of the line underground, although not fully underground as he had intended. Which sections were changed?
The only difference was at Black Creek Drive. It was planned in Transit City to be on street there, and became elevated.
 

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The only difference was at Black Creek Drive. It was planned in Transit City to be on street there, and became elevated.
The original Eglinton plan was for separate a Weston Road Station (more westerly) and a Black Creek Drive stop. The stop and station were combined.
 

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