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Richard White

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I'm just confused on how yonge-eglinton has been under construction for more than 10 years. AnD aLL tHe StAtIoN WoRk hAs only StArTeD a YeAr AgO.
They had to do relocation of various utilities, installation of various equipment, etc. This takes time and must be done before other work. That is why work on the station is only being done now.

That being said they have been working on the crater where the original bus bays were for a few years now.
 

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Finally... but no actual trains anytime soon.

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When we drove by site a few weeks ago, we could see most of the platforms were in place. Was hoping to get to the site by now to take photos of it as well a few other places were tracks are now in place. Maybe it could be next week.

With this delay, how far east could service be phase in?? The best I can see, Yonge can't see service until late 2021 or early 2022 as well the rest of the line east of it. The best I could see will be to the Spadina Line depending on the stations between Mount Dennis and Cedarvale Station. This will reduce the number of buses west of Eglinton West Station on Eglinton as plan and be use elsewhere.

Other than the tail track for Mount Dennis and the tunnel under the rail corridor that will be in place by the summer, that station is ready for service as well the yard.
 

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Crosstown won’t open on time? I’m shocked. Shocked!

Delays of this sort happen. The real story is in ML’s secretiveness and lack of transparency. ML seems to believe its own press releases.If they can just keep denying, it will open on time......

The thing to watch is how ML feeds its contractor to the press. The P3 process will be the victim.

No contractor is going to sign up for a P3 in the future without some very tight language and very large contingencies.
They declared P3 dead a few months ago when nobody wanted to take the RER package.

New hotness is IOs "alliance contracting model", where risk is split, and likely no single contracts over $4B either (subdivide work for tenders).
 

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Metrolinx could have accepted this when it came out but the PR flack (not AMA) told CP24 that Metrolinx wasn’t accepting the contractor’s estimate. I guess they are now. Their court documents vs Bombardier over LRV delivery must make grimly amusing reading for the latter now,
 

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It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. Other than surveyors maps, little would have been known about much of the terrain in 1881. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road. Through a terrain accessible to millions.

I am not a civil engineer, but its hard image where we would be today if that same level of efficiency (over the same time period) applied to other field such as telecommunication, medicine, manufacturing, project management etc etc.
 
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It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road.

I am not a civil engineer, but its hard image where we would be if that same level of efficiency (over the same time period) applied to other field such as telecommunication, medicine, manufacturing, project management etc etc.
It is estimated that between 600 to 1000 men died building the Canadian Pacific Railway. Such a furious pace comes with great expense, I am not sure we would be willing to accept such costs in 2020.

Edit: I just remembered that the Canada Heritage Minute ad that ran put the number at 1 man per 1 mile of track. The Chinese Railroad Workers Memorial puts the number of dead at 4000.
 

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It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road.

I am not a civil engineer, but its hard image where we would be if that same level of efficiency (over the same time period) applied to other field such as telecommunication, medicine, manufacturing, project management etc etc.
Sure is a lot easier building a railway if you're willing to gamble with the lives of tens of thousands of foreign workers.
 

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No doubt. I was aware of that. Nobody is advocating a return to the labour conditions of that time. But surely there has to be middle ground somewhere.
Is it really a labour issue as to why there is descrepancies between 1885 and today? I dont think so, todays workers would be far more productive through available tools and machinery. Or is it because of the number of signoffs and or stakeholders approvals you need nowadays to move from one phase to the next in todays projects. Or managing subcontractors, or management by objectives, Or the waiting for for lawyers approvals etc etc.
 
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No doubt. I was aware of that. Nobody is advocating a return to the labour conditions of that time. But surely there has to be middle ground somewhere.
Is it really a labour issue as to why there is descrepancies between 1885 and today? I dont think so, todays workers would be far more productive through available tools and machinery. Or is it because of the number of signoffs and or stakeholders approvals you need nowadays to move from one phase to the next in todays projects. Or managing subcontractors, or management by objectives, Or the waiting for for lawyers approvals etc etc.
I see where you’re going here. And I somewhat agree. However there are very likely a lot more stakeholders who are impacted by the 25km LRT through the nation’s most populous city than there were for the entire stretch of the CPR. That and the fact the CPR steamrollered right through any aboriginal concerns anyways. So unfortunately while I do agree red tape is a pain in the ass I don’t think it’s the problem. The real issue in my opinion is political meddling. It takes longer than 4 years to plan/design/fund/build major infrastructure projects. The fact all our politicians want to build monorails is what is fucking us.
 

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^ I would not draw the comparison through the price paid by labour (as awful as that was).

If you look at the quality of the CP line, the original track and civil works were rudimentary. Every inch of that line was rebuilt again and again. Many trestles were replaced by fills and culverts, new tunnels were dug, whole sections of the line were rerouted. Some parts worked for a short while but quickly subsided into the swamps. The whole thing had to be completed quickly, but the Last Spike was in no way the finished product.

With a transit line, this isn’t possible. We have to get it right the first time, we can’t put in a patch and then shut it down next year to install a more permanent solution. So a comparison with CPR is quite misleading.

I’m more impressed with how we built, say, the CN tower.....one continuous pour. They had no room to stop and do more core samples!

The experts say that the worst thing a project can do is begin construction before the engineering is well advanced and sufficient to give proper direction. This project may be guilty of bad planning or faulty execution. Complaining about red tape will not improve on that.

- Paul
 

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