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Streety McCarface

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Hmm. great video of Cedarvale underpinning...mebbe....

If ION in Kitchener-Waterloo had a run-in of almost a year...well more than six months anyway...

One year from planned in service is about 12 months from now...

I can't remember the Gantt charts, but are we expecting vehicles to be bombing along the guideway to Kennedy in a year? And if Ottawa is short vehicles, then don't we need 75 or some odd in about 1 year? And then if this system is more complex and we have to keep trains separated, don't we need to see trains running for months in advance with no paying customers to test systems and traffic light coordination and and and etc?

It's only 2 years back, but the TTC ran the trains from Wilson to VMC for at least a month and maybe 3 on TYSSE and they had been running a subway for sixty-five years and the Rockets for about five years. Progress on construction here is significant, but there does seem to be a great deal left and little time to accomplish some of it.
A significant portion of that year was dedicated to vehicle burn-ins. So long as there is a section of corridor dedicated to testing the vehicles themselves, the line still should be fine, granted, extremely careful coordination is required.
 

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A fleet of 76 Flexity's is overkill on opening day with plenty of spares. A 2-car train every 4 minutes in rush hour is sufficient on opening day. With the round trip time around 90 minutes, they would only need 46 Flexities. Add 20% spare making it 55 Flexities. The rest arriving late wouldn't affect opening day.
Remember if the extensions to Pearson and Malvern are green-lighted, ordering more flexity vehicles would cost less.
 

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A fleet of 76 Flexity's is overkill on opening day with plenty of spares. A 2-car train every 4 minutes in rush hour is sufficient on opening day. With the round trip time around 90 minutes, they would only need 46 Flexities. Add 20% spare making it 55 Flexities. The rest arriving late wouldn't affect opening day.
Remember if the extensions to Pearson and Malvern are green-lighted, ordering more flexity vehicles would cost less.
It may start with 2-car trains, but could be extended to 3-car trains, should the need require it.
 

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It may start with 2-car trains, but could be extended to 3-car trains, should the need require it.
Eventually yes. The comment was made for September 2021 when ML doesn't need all 76 vehicles to be burnt in and ready.

Remember if the extensions to Pearson and Malvern are green-lighted, ordering more flexity vehicles would cost less.
I don't think ML needs to order more vehicles at the moment. They should wait and see which manufacture actually performs better once the Flexity and Citadis are in service. Unless they somehow get Eglinton West to open before 2025, they shouldn't have to worry about ordering vehicles soon. Longer vehicles might be a problem for the MSF so maybe a 30m Citadis could be manufactured if the Flexity's fail to live up.

Eglinton East could really just be its own line with longer vehicles. They are getting their own MSF should this extension be constructed.
 

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Really curious to see how long Metrolinx is going to take to announce that the Crosstown is again delayed. Sooner or later some inquisitive reporter is going to do some digging around and figure out that transit stations typically aren't a pile of dirt a mere 22 months out from revenue service. They better get out ahead of this, before the narrative becomes "Metrolinx is hiding the fact that their mismanaged, over budget, and already delayed $5.4 Billion transit line has been delayed yet again".

Knowing Metrolinx though, they won't acknowledge this until some Toronto Star reporter forces them to through a FOIA request. Just like how they conveniently failed to notify the public that the project was over-budget.
 

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For comparison, This is the state that Finch west, the most delayed station on the TYSSE was in 21 months prior to the line opening, in February of 2016. Station box pouring complete, and the shape of the above grade structure starting to appear. THe next two years were primarily finishes.

And the TYSSE opened with Finch West not fully complete yet.

While it may be possible for Crosslinx to complete by 2021 as a lot of their infrastructure is quite advanced at this point, I believe it's a stretch. Their test track is coming online on schedule I believe.. Which gives me a bit of hope. It's just difficult to believe that the interchange stations will be complete since they are so far off still. The other stations seem to be within the realm of opening 2 years from now, and the surface section certainly seems on track. The interchange stations are what give me cause for concern.



 

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,2 years is a long time, not sure why you guys are all fretting and being pessimistic for. We've seen buildings go from dirt in the ground to over 12 stories high. These stations r underground for the most part making construction during the winter time still viable.

More workers will be made available at these sites soon enough.
. keesedale station was a whole in the ground a year ago, now it's almost finished
 

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,2 years is a long time, not sure why you guys are all fretting and being pessimistic for. We've seen buildings go from dirt in the ground to over 12 stories high. These stations r underground for the most part making construction during the winter time still viable.

More workers will be made available at these sites soon enough.
. keesedale station was a whole in the ground a year ago, now it's almost finished
And Keelesdale Station has the York Memorial Collegiate Institute building next door that went up in flames earlier this year. There would have been water flowing down into the hole that was the station box.
 

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And Keelesdale Station has the York Memorial Collegiate Institute building next door that went up in flames earlier this year. There would have been water flowing down into the hole that was the station box.
The station box was barely affected by the fire, and water isn't that much of an issue for an empty concrete box. Issues were related to the construction site itself, and repairs to roads and sidewalks hampering access to the site.
 

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,2 years is a long time, not sure why you guys are all fretting and being pessimistic for. We've seen buildings go from dirt in the ground to over 12 stories high. These stations r underground for the most part making construction during the winter time still viable.

More workers will be made available at these sites soon enough.
. keesedale station was a whole in the ground a year ago, now it's almost finished
The complexity of a 12 storey building is noting compared to a transit system.

I have a really hard time seeing this coming together in time. We’re going to need a significant amount of time for testing, which means that Crosslinx really has less than a year and a half to get two interchange stations complete along with everything else that is incomplete. They haven’t even finished underpinning Line 1 yet, let alone build any of the interchange station structures. This doesn’t pass this sniff test to me, not at all.

At this point you’d typically expect to see a lot station finishes to be installed, especially things like escalators and elevators. To say they’re nowhere close to that point would be an understatement
 
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I’ve been following the Crossrail developments in London. I remember two years out from the originally scheduled completion, the underground station structures were complete, some escalators were installed, and some of the visual finishes (wall tiles, signs, etc...) were being installed. It felt like a 90% compete transit line. Yet that project has been severely delayed.

The Crosstown right now has none of that. Underpinning Line 1 isn’t even complete right now. We’re nowhere close to being at the same point Crossrail was in its development. It’s laughable to even compare their progression.

now obviously these are two totally different projects, and you can’t directly compare their progression. But nevertheless, this is not looking good. It feels like we'll need a miracle to have this running anywhere near September 2021
 

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