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Didn't you post earlier that the steel couldn't have melted? Would it be asking too much to have a consistent position?

I'm at work, I'll address your other points later as I only have about 30 seconds, this one jumped right out at me. Of course the steel couldn't have melted based on jet fuel, you're helping him make his point. With the aid of explosives however you're talking about something completely different.
 
Steven Jones is widely regarded as the father of cold fusion.

Well, there's not much bragging in fathering something still born, if it ever existed at all. Cold fusion is either a myth or a fraud, depending on what you read.
 
Of course the steel couldn't have melted based on jet fuel, you're helping him make his point. With the aid of explosives however you're talking about something completely different.

I've seen the aftereffects of steel melting from jet blast, so I don't think you're correct there.

His only "evidence" for Thermit was the heat generated, and the traces of rust and aluminum. Both could have been created by other means.

Kevin
 
Well, there's not much bragging in fathering something still born, if it ever existed at all. Cold fusion is either a myth or a fraud, depending on what you read.

We're all still waiting for the "break through" however his research and contributions to the idea have been significant. It's funny how Steven Jones was never regarded as a fraud by his most skeptical of peers (plasma researchers?), or how BYU continually provided him the necessary funding to continue.

You could find that anywhere. Thermit is rust and aluminum. It would be amazing if there weren't "traces of thermite" in the wreckage of a steel office building.

His only "evidence" for Thermit was the heat generated, and the traces of rust and aluminum. Both could have been created by other means.

That's not true at all. Here he discusses all of his recent findings relating to thermite and thermate on WTC wreckage (dated June 8, 06) - this is very recent:

911source.org/audio/shows/alex_jones/steven_jones/thermite

Since you seem so knowledgable on the subject, can you explain how the fires could have created molten steel? The 911 ommission report didn't even bring this up, it's nowhere to be found in the official story, yet there's plenty of evidence for it including video of the cleanup since weeks after the collapse...

Can you also explain how the other steel skyscraper fires alluded to earlier didn't result in a collapse? They were subjected to much longer burning fires that covered a far greater area of the building. Howcome the steel in this fire wasn't weakened in anyway? Again the fire burned much longer? Can hydrocarbon fires burning at 500F really cause failure for steel certified to withstand temperatures up to 3000F (as per underwriters labratories, Kevin Ryan wasn't making those figures up).

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This building deemed to be 100% structurally in-tact when this blaze was finally put out. Did they use magic steel when they built it?
 
Since you seem so knowledgable on the subject, can you explain how the fires could have created molten steel?

Same way as coal fires. Those buildings contained a LOT of combustibles, and smoludered for months. Those types of fires can burn pretty hot, for a long time.

Can you also explain how the other steel skyscraper fires alluded to earlier didn't result in a collapse?

Built differently? Didn't get that hot? There are a lot of reasons that one building may collapse when another doesn't.

Can hydrocarbon fires burning at 500F really cause failure for steel certified to withstand temperatures up to 3000F

UL certifies against a benchmark, which may or may not have a whole lot to do with the real world. In this case, apparently the benchmark needs tweaking.

Kevin
 
You can say the buildings failed due to their design, that the temperatures were impossibly hot and that the steel failed well before it should have due to human error.

Any scientist will tell you in order to get a broader picture you must consider all of the available data. Sure there's a remote possibility that what you're suggesting happened did in fact happen (although obviously there was no pancake collapse), however when you consider the bigger picture NONE of the data excludes the possibilty of explosives while much of it makes a collapse not aided by explosives seem very unlikely.

Consider this:

The collapse of WTC1 registered a 2.3 on the richter scale, the collapse of WTC2 registered a 2.1. Both buildings were of nearly identicle size, mass and construction and both would have collapsed under very similar conditions.

According to the richter scale, a 2.3 magnitude event has double the explosive power of a 2.1 magnitude event.

Magnitude: Log.Scale Seismic Energy
3.0 - 100,000 - 29 tons of TNT
2.0 - 10,000 - 1 ton of TNT
1.0 - 1,000 - 30 LBS of TNT

Conservation of energy law states that Potential Energy = Kinetic Engery of Motion. PE = KE. Since both towers were nearly identicle the standing kinetic energy and the force of WTC1 collapse would = 2.7 tons of TNT, the force of WTC2 collapse would = 1.4 tons of TNT.

How is it possible for WTC1's collapse to register such vastly different seismic results if explosive charges in the foundations were not being used? Granted, both towers didn't collapse at exactly the same time, however there is no way to explain such a huge difference in the seismic readings due un-aided collapse.

Consider this picture:

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According to Newton's first law of motion, the law of inertia , an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. According to the official collapse theory the laws of science are violated because the momentum of the top section pictured would not be conserved according to newton's second law of motion the law of conservation of momentum. This angular momentum did not continue, rather its course changed, it fell straight into the building and was pulvarized into a fine dust with debris exiting at a greater than 45 degree angle upwards. Remember collapsing debris can only be projected downward, thus horizontally projected debris would be considered the extreme case... Debris scattered from the WTC actually exceeded this.

The weakened steel due to the fires theory resutling in the collapse of the building does not fit in with or explain what I posted above, if it does please point out how it does. The data I posted works with the explosives theory quite well. The seismic readings have been verified and recorded by multiple sources (I didn't even include the WTC1's 9 pre-collapse detonations recorded).

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Where on earth did the energy come from to pulvarize the concrete to a fine dust and project debris out so clearly in a mushroom formation? This is the top of the explosion, you can drop a brick of concrete from over 1000 feet high onto a paved surface and it would break into small peices, but certainly not dust... where does this kinetic energy come from?
 
You can say the buildings failed due to their design, that the temperatures were impossibly hot and that the steel failed well before it should have due to human error.

Who said these things?

Any scientist will tell you in order to get a broader picture you must consider all of the available data. Sure there's a remote possibility that what you're suggesting happened did in fact happen (although obviously there was no pancake collapse), however when you consider the bigger picture NONE of the data excludes the possibilty of explosives while much of it makes a collapse not aided by explosives seem very unlikely.

There have been no definitive traces of explosives found. None.

The debris did collapse more or less straight down. The lateral separation was caused by air driven by all of the debris.

Conservation of energy law states that Potential Energy = Kinetic Engery of Motion. PE = KE. Since both towers were nearly identicle the standing kinetic energy and the force of WTC1 collapse would = 2.7 tons of TNT, the force of WTC2 collapse would = 1.4 tons of TNT.

No traces of TNT have been found, and that's a lot of explosives. If they'd been used, there would have been traces.

You can probably account for the lower seismic energy of the collapse in energy expended during the collapse. Steel and concrete don't rip apart easily. They also tend to divert energy in different directions when they do collapse. Like upwards. Or outwards.

This is the top of the explosion, you can drop a brick of concrete from over 1000 feet high onto a paved surface and it would break into small peices, but certainly not dust

You've tried this? I've tried ramming small high-speed metal objects into concrete, and it pulverised just fine...

Kevin
 
What is it about conspiracy theorists that they are so long winded? Must be the same gene?
 
I think they get together and plan it that way. I think they've got all kinds of horrible things planned. I think they're behind many of the dreadful things that have already happened.
 

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