lenaitch
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I assume it was a comment on my profile location and questioning my relevance to the discussion.
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Alto - High Speed Rail (Toronto-Quebec City)
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micheal_can
Senior Member
Like many do about me?
In ON,I do not see HSR ever expanding outside of the Corridor in my lifetime. It has a better chance of being extended to Halifax than north of Toronto. Having said that, if it gets extended to Windsor and all those places it used to serve with the current SSR are shut down, that will do a disservice. ALTO can be done well for everyone so long as things are reasonable.
FYI SSR Is what I will be using going forward to describe anything not HSR on this thread.
SSR - Slow Speed Rail.
dowlingm
Senior Member
There is a running assumption here that the way to placate Tweed and similarly bypassed areas that the answer to their inconvenience is to provide them a station.
I wonder if we took the cost of adding a station and then asked the people of those localities if they wanted a station or something else for their trouble, whether they would answer "something else" like a new road or other facility.
I wonder if we took the cost of adding a station and then asked the people of those localities if they wanted a station or something else for their trouble, whether they would answer "something else" like a new road or other facility.
zang
Senior Member
I feel like the best answer is probably just running via standard rail from those small communities to the nearest HSR station.
Urban Sky
Senior Member
Just out of interest, what kind of dedicated “standard rail” infrastructure and services do you envision for places like Tweed?
kEiThZ
Superstar
Why the heck can't people ever imagine taking a bus to an HSR station like the rest of the sane world?
Northern Light
Superstar
At the risk of unfurling too much nonsense...........who exactly decided this line was bypassing Tweed and by how much? LOL
Not that I am suggesting it would not or should not; but I get that vibe I so often get when reading threads such as this of people getting deep in the weeds on hypotheticals prematurely.
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I had a quick look at the routing of the former ROW/Trans Canada Trail around Tweed; I agree it would make all sorts of sense to by pass the town proper, when I look at alternate alignments based on topography, acquisition and other things (communities, large bodies of water etc) that you also want to avoid/skirt. I think it looks like the likely alignment here would run immediately north of Tweed. The alternatives are not particularly easy.
That's not to suggest Tweed would or should get a station/stop (or that it won't). I'm just bemused by all this debate at this stage. Perhaps we should get the alignment sorted, then we can discuss in a more useful way where intermediate stops between Ptbo and Ottawa might make sense. (or might not)
Not that I am suggesting it would not or should not; but I get that vibe I so often get when reading threads such as this of people getting deep in the weeds on hypotheticals prematurely.
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I had a quick look at the routing of the former ROW/Trans Canada Trail around Tweed; I agree it would make all sorts of sense to by pass the town proper, when I look at alternate alignments based on topography, acquisition and other things (communities, large bodies of water etc) that you also want to avoid/skirt. I think it looks like the likely alignment here would run immediately north of Tweed. The alternatives are not particularly easy.
That's not to suggest Tweed would or should get a station/stop (or that it won't). I'm just bemused by all this debate at this stage. Perhaps we should get the alignment sorted, then we can discuss in a more useful way where intermediate stops between Ptbo and Ottawa might make sense. (or might not)
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Urban Sky
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I think it’s obvious that it’s too early to tell whether ALTO will end up choosing a route through or around Tweed (both with or without a station) or choose an entirely different route (e.g., via Kingston). However, it should be also obvious that they won’t choose more than one of these three options…
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Mihairokov
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The T in ALTO stands for Tweed, afterall.
crs1026
Superstar
Lol When I worked in management, I was often impressed at how the plant floor grapevine often raised, digested, and reached sound conclusions about issues faster than the management team, and often reached consensus on bolder courses of action.
But yeah, some UT digressions go a long, long way on very speculative flights.
It will be interesting to see whether anyone remembers or cares about the original maps in the official HFR or JPO project documents when the serious route decisions are made. If the route is indeed significantly different from the original Havelock Sub idea, some towns may be disappointed - or delighted.
And, of course, local shenanigans aimed at bringing a railway to a town have a long history in this country.... just examine any of the maps of abandoned railways in Ontario and on the prairies especially. There may be some of that.
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zang
Senior Member
Sure, if the government wants to extend GO outside of the GTA. The absence of Greyhound still hasn’t been filled.
nfitz
Superstar
There's been lots of new services. Which routes remain unfilled?
Though we do have a thread on that. https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/intercity-bus-services.26251
zang
Senior Member
Tweed to Peterborough?
kEiThZ
Superstar
Why do you need GO? Again, it's all so ridiculous. Ask these communities insist on everything being handed to them.
Tweed is so small that they probably don't need more than a large van going back and forth between the town and the nearest HSR station. And their town should pay for that.
They should and will be bypassed. And nobody owes them anything other than making sure the impact of the bypass is minimal to nil.
zang
Senior Member
Because GO buses doesn’t need to operate at a profit, unlike other bus lines.
Tweed doesn’t need an HSR stop. But that doesn’t mean we abandon small communities altogether. If the cost of running a high speed rail through a community is connecting them a little more to other cities, is that something terrible?