lenaitch
Senior Member
So, he'd be happy to negotiate a price that the Ukrainian people would have to pay. Good for him.
Sound like it would work out just as well as many of his other real estate deals.
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2022/23 Russian-Ukrainian War
- Thread starter Towered
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Sound like it would work out just as well as many of his other real estate deals.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Considering he'd sell out his own country for himself if need be, what's someone else's country really?
AoD
Bjays92
Senior Member
I simply don't buy it. Of course the government is going to defend their decisions. Vast majority of military based analysis I have seen indicates defending Bakhmut at this point is foolish. They have new defensive lines ready to go. Even key members of the Ukrainian military feel this way and have been voicing that publicly.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I'm 50/50 on this. Bakhmut is useful to pin down Russian forces if there's an assault coming soon. It may not be, if there's not.
Also, you never say you're leaving, even if you are. That would turn your retreat into a rout. You conduct a fighting withdrawal, convincing the enemy you are still committed, so he shouldn't just pour in forces. For all we know, this is what the Ukrainians doing.
Also, you never say you're leaving, even if you are. That would turn your retreat into a rout. You conduct a fighting withdrawal, convincing the enemy you are still committed, so he shouldn't just pour in forces. For all we know, this is what the Ukrainians doing.
kEiThZ
Superstar
I'm seeing some very knowledgeable people make the same arguments as you.
Bjays92
Senior Member
I was about to share this tweet myself
kEiThZ
Superstar
I am still torn. It's hard to judge without understanding their overall strategy. But I am concerned that they might be letting politics and symbolism drive this decision instead of military strategy. I hope these concerns are unfounded. But we won't really know until we see their summer offensive.
Bjays92
Senior Member
I agree. I also hope it is not the case but I fear it is. Ultimately only time will tell. I have heard a rumour that Ukraine is massing troops around Chasiv Yar for a counter offensive but that seems unlikely to me for the time being.
kEiThZ
Superstar
Watching Russia's neighbours losing their fear is interesting....
aviationweek.com
Kazakhstan Seizes Russian Assets At Baikonur Spaceport | Aviation Week Network
Kazakhstan has taken control of Russian assets on Baikonur spaceport, local KZ24 media reported on March 7, citing the country’s court bailiff service.
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kEiThZ
Superstar
There's growing anecdotes that the Russians are running short on ammo.
And more than ammo:
www.forbes.com
I hope this is true. If so, now is really the time for Western aid to ramp. This summer Ukrainian forces can bring the whole house of cards down when they attack undersupplied and underequipped Russian troops.
And more than ammo:
The Russian Army Is Running Out Of T-72 Tanks—And Quickly
The worsening T-72 shortfall helps to explain why the Russians increasingly are equipping their newly-mobilized battalions with obsolete T-62 and T-80B tanks.
www.forbes.com
I hope this is true. If so, now is really the time for Western aid to ramp. This summer Ukrainian forces can bring the whole house of cards down when they attack undersupplied and underequipped Russian troops.
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Watching Russia's neighbours losing their fear is interesting....
Kazakhstan Seizes Russian Assets At Baikonur Spaceport | Aviation Week Network
Kazakhstan has taken control of Russian assets on Baikonur spaceport, local KZ24 media reported on March 7, citing the country’s court bailiff service.
Hoo, the bulk of their space program runs out of Baikonur. They'd be stuck with Plesetsk and the half built Vostochny.
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kEiThZ
Superstar
I look at this as confirmation that China is now the pre-eminent power in Central Asia.
This has always been my fear of Wests overdependence on the US (or really any single power) to ensure our collective security. When countries like Canada say they would rather provide humanitarian aid than lethal aid or even military force in a given conflict because we're not warmongering Americans, what this means in practice is that we are willing to have our foreign policy shaped entirely by the US. In this case, we may have to sit by and accept that in 22 months a new American President may sacrifice Ukraine for his/her domestic political interests.
Richard White
Senior Member
I can see the US becoming isolated in the future if the GOP takes power and Ukraine is abandoned. The world as a whole supports Ukraine and I can see the US being looked upon negatively if they abandon them.
That said, the GOP may yet get their wish and put America first but for all the wrong reasons. Shooting themselves in the foot to spite their face.
Towered
Senior Member
All the more reason for the EU to step up in a big way to offset such a potential scenario. That lesson should have already been learned by the awful Trump years.