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2022/23 Russian-Ukrainian War

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I wonder what would happen if all hell broke loose, NATO got involved and WWIII is starting.

Assuming conscription took place how would the younger generation handle that?

If this was an actual war we would be somewhat screwed in North America. Countries like Russia, Ukraine and Poland have

There's a difference between defending your homeland at home and fighting an expeditionary war. People are a lot more willing to take up arms to literally defend their neighbourhood. We see this in Ukraine. But if you have to fight an expeditionary war with conscripts in the 21st century, you are not going to win. We also see this in Ukraine.

So no. Despite the talk about North American youth being coddled, I would not be too worried about fighting at home, if by some bizarre scenario foreign troops were landing in Canada or the US. People step up.

Also, it's pretty bizarre that Boomers think Millennials and younger generations are weak when the majority of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan was done by Millennials. This generation has the most combat experience in Canada, since the generation that fought WWII. In the US, millennials have the most combat experience since the Vietnam generation.
 

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Compare that to Europe where military service and the thought you may need to serve is part of the culture, especially in the Balkans.

I can't believe after months of watching the Russians get their asses handed to them that people still think machismo and conscription is going to deliver battlefield success. Russia has a highly martial culture. Lots of military officers in all their academic programs. Lots of conscription. Highly discriminatory towards LGBT and women. How's all that working out for them?

Have you ever talked to serving military officers? Most will tell you they don't want conscripts under them.
 

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I can't believe after months of watching the Russians get their asses handed to them that people still think machismo and conscription is going to deliver battlefield success. Russia has a highly martial culture. Lots of military officers in all their academic programs. Lots of conscription. Highly discriminatory towards LGBT and women. How's all that working out for them?

Have you ever talked to serving military officers? Most will tell you they don't want conscripts under them.

I have noticed for some years now that some elements of the western far-right have a very odd rise for this strain of Russian machismo.

AoD
 

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Nobody seems to have told all the macho manly men saying, "Russia strong!", that it's not the size of the dog in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the dog.

I would never want to serve with conscripts. No motivation. I want to serve with folks who have the same motivation as I do to put their lives on the line.
 

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That almost homoerotic machismo is pathetic in their recruiting vids.


Especially compared to Ukraine, where family, community and service is the focus.


Ironically, this line of almost homoerotic machismo is shockingly common among of a segment of fashy gays, as if they hadn't learned a thing about Ernst Rohm and his end.

AoD
 

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Labatt's usually makes a terrible product, but I'd drink this.


And of course our western Canadian cousins with their large population of ethnic Ukrainians (including Mrs. Beez) have the genuine article.


And we have some local brews of a Ukrainian style sold in support of Ukraine.

 

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Labatt's usually makes a terrible product, but I'd drink this.


And of course our western Canadian cousins with their large population of ethnic Ukrainians (including Mrs. Beez) have the genuine article.


And we have some local brews of a Ukrainian style sold in support of Ukraine.

Or just buy your beer of preference, and donate whatever you want to the charities they're donating to + get a tax receipt.
 

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Or just buy your beer of preference, and donate whatever you want to the charities they're donating to + get a tax receipt.
Or do both. Sheesh, it’s just a bit of fun.

Now for some optimism.

 
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From: Institute for the Study of war: A Ukrainian official acknowledged on November 21 that Ukrainian forces are conducting a military operation on the Kinburn Spit, a location which would allow Ukrainian forces to better conduct potential operations on the left (east) bank in Kherson Oblast. Ukrainian Southern Defense Forces spokesperson Natalia Humenyuk stated on November 21 that Ukrainian forces are conducting a military operation on the Kinburn Spit and called for operational silence to be respected.[16] Humenyuk emphasized that the Kinburn Spit is the last piece of territory that Russian forces occupy in Mykolaiv Oblast.[17] The Kinburn Spit is only 4km across the strait from Ochakiv and allows for control of the entrance to the Dnipro and Southern Bug rivers as well as the Mykolaiv and Kherson city ports. Russian forces used positions on the Kinburn Spit to conduct routine missile and artillery strikes on Ukrainian positions in Ochakiv, southern Mykolaiv Oblast, and other areas along the Ukrainian-controlled Black Sea Coast.[18] The Kinburn Spit is also out of the 25km range of 152mm artillery that Russian forces have accumulated on the left (east) bank of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast. Control of the Kinburn Spit would allow Ukrainian forces to relieve Russian strikes on the Ukrainian-controlled Black Sea coast, increase naval activity in the area, and conduct potential operations to cross to the left (east) bank in Kherson Oblast under significantly less Russian artillery fire compared to a crossing of the Dnipro River.

Here is a map...

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One in three Ukrainians with visas have reached Canada as applications approach 700K

(Key word is "applications".)

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Government statistics show fewer than one-third of Ukrainians approved for temporary Canadian visas have arrived in the country, even as hundreds of thousands of others remain in the queue waiting to find out if they qualify to travel to Canada.

The temporary visas are part of the special immigration measures introduced by the federal government in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine giving Ukrainians emergency authorization to travel and stay in Canada.

According to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the government received nearly 700,000 requests from Ukrainians to travel to Canada under the special program between March and November.

Yet the department says only around 420,000 applications have been approved so far, while statistics from the Canada Border Services Agency show about 117,000 have actually reached Canada. The majority of those arrived by air.

It wasn't immediately clear why so few Ukrainians authorized to travel to Canada have done so.

Meanwhile, a document tabled in the House of Commons last week shows that the average processing time for the majority of visas between March and September was 72 days - or more than 10 weeks.

Tabled in response to a written question from Conservative MP Garnett Genuis, the document also says that as of September, about 14 per cent of the applications were for children under 18 while around five per cent were for people aged 61 and older.

The response also says 1,757 applications were rejected and 1,415 applications were withdrawn as of Sept. 20.

It goes on to caution that total application numbers held by the immigration department could be “inflated” because some people have multiple applications associated with their files.

Genuis had asked for data about whether anyone accepted under the program lived outside of Ukraine before Russia's invasion.

But the department said it was not able to determine a person's country of residence prior to their application, and that applicants are only required to declare their current country of residence.

In testimony to a Senate committee last week, Ukrainian Ambassador to Canada Larisa Galadza said that to her knowledge, Canada is receiving 14,000 applications a week from Ukrainians, and about seven million civilians have fled Ukraine in total.

She noted that the fact Canada is providing a three-year visa to applicants lessens the pressure to travel immediately.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Nov. 22, 2022.
 

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