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I suspect they could do well too be honest even at the full 45K - may take a lot of business from Food Basics. The demographics in the area is a little all over the place - there's high end for sure but also a decent amount of middle / price conscious shoppers who'd prefer something akin to...

Wow, this looks great ! A lot better than I had been expecting.

Thank you for the summary !! Sorry any details on what university park is referring too ?

I disagree ... the answer is "always" ... look at the underlying sentiment behind the push back ... " we want to keep it our community park" ... I think there is a tangible argument for losing the "forest like nature" that exists today but that's not what's fueling this - it's the typical "not...

Sorry maybe a silly question - why does he need to take it over ? Who's opposed to jet's and a runway extension (let's put aside local residents for the time being) ? I thought Toronto was considering and so was the airport itself ? Selfishly I similarly think it's a great idea ... and really...

You'd think Ford would have started with consulting / speaking to Oxford ... maybe he did and they expressed no interest.

That'll never happen, it's a cultural difference - so in no way should we attempt to emulate that ... if we removed most of our garbage bins we'd have garbage everywhere :(

So in that case I don't really get what they were trying to argue ? :) A gym must count as a "retail non food" outlet.

For this reason Doug Ford’s interest in Exhibition Place for new conference centre blindsides Toronto officials I really think it may not be at the EX.

That quote from the article seems pretty misleading (likely intentionally so ...) the 568K from the science center includes exhibition space as well - yet it is compared it to 280K square feet for the "new" science center. Later it goes into the necessarily details to fully understand it but...

So a few thoughts/questions: 1. Why are we all thinking the Ex/Ontario place - given how it was brought up it sounded like somewhere entirely different ? Could be somewhere in the portlands ... could it be somewhere elsewhere in the GTA ? ... for hotel space alone none really make sense to me...

Sorry to clarify the variance was denied ? Do they have any ability to appeal further ? It seems rather silly to me as restaurant usage would work well.

It seems that originally some of the retail had to be office use or non restaurant use. They submitted an appeal essentially asking if all the space can be food service related. Relevant portions:

Anyone have insight into the funding efforts for the playground ? https://www.waterfrontoronto.ca/our-projects/PlayPark

err so we all know this is probably going to end up as a surface parking lot for a decade ? :mad::(:rolleyes:

Side note, I doubt this was a fake business case ... for those that have visited the science in recent times - many of the exhibits were ancient - and there was near zero effort made to update them. So honestly I could buy 200M ... but a small fraction of that would be on the roof and it's...

No, you'll need to fly ... and kids aren't allowed ....

Sure but the science center's 560K similarly includes a movie theatre albeit smaller and a lot of wasted space as well. I'm willing to wager both will have a similar amount of wasted space making the ~ 40% smaller figure accurate.

Do you honestly think that looks better ? Of course all we have is a render, but if the final product resembles it I would take that over ^ any day.

Sure, it would have been cheaper, would it have been as iconic ... architecture wise, yes - but location, no. There are so many arguments (not here but in other places) that the science center was meant for schools because it was easier to get too ... I don't see how that can be justification...