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I agree re dull design for such a huge (for Toronto) building (especially the smaller one), though the ground level looks interesting. I have long advocated we do not need a design review panel, except for the largest/tallest buildings which, since they stand out in the skyline, should only get...

I'm going to keep trying to either get back to the previous Gehry Partners design or at least argue the latest jumble is awful. Let me offer some examples of huge building groups that are exciting to look at because their immensity also has some coherence. M1, M 2 and M3 in Mississauga are...

I think the WOW discussion about crimpled surfaces avoids the ugly incoherent architecture - a true skysore...

Yes, and as Bogtrotter notes, does not even have the coherence of Gehry's latest toned down/presumably value engineered effort in LA! Let's face it the structural expression is a mish-mash, whatever its reflective result.

YSL may well have been stopped because of Cresford financial overreach predating COVID. The point is, has the condo market for (almost) supertalls weakened after COVID, further complicating going forward with YSL? Too bad, at least on this thread, someone in the know can't be candid about this...

Sorry. I hadn't visited U.S. census for a while. In fact I meant CSA (combined census area of adjacent and connected metropolitan areas). NYC and LA areas around 20 millionish. The ones around 10 millionish are Chicago, DC-Baltimore, San Francisco, and then between 7-8 million are Boston...

If you go to US census MCAs (adjacent metropolitan areas), Toronto is still well below not only NYC and LA (20 millionish), but also Chicago (13 millionish), DC-Baltimore, Dallas, Houston and San Francisco (all at or above 10 millionish). Even so, at current growth and prospects for growth...

Partly depends on how long covid lasts - time ill tell...

ADRM - Do you have any current contact with such people?

That describes it (with a brutal hoarding around it)!

Well not sure what you refer to by "this property" - I hadn't heard Concord being involved in either YSL or MG???

Why do you suppose GG is sitting on MG - could it possibly marketability?

What is feasible financially depends on land price and market demand, both of which may drop from covid effect for high-rise above 15ish floors. If the same density can be achieved in a midrise over larger land footprint that may well be the future trend.

To me, downtown will have to go to mid-rise high-density (BIG on King) with variable elevator shafts over a wider footprint? Some supertalls now not likely to happen (unless fully build-out financed, maybe not even then).

Question remains - will anything fly at YSL????

In normal times this would likely have been taken over as an approved, pre-financed premium development opportunity by a financially stable competitor (e.g. One Bloor East).These are not normal times. Toronto downtown may turn out to be already massively overbuilt in underway and and proposed...

Good point about site specific constraints and rectilinear likelihood. In fact, if you've ever looked at the original plan for Eaton centre with huge rectilinear office blocks, in some ways they were a better frame to City Hall's curves than the jutting Bell Trinity triangular prism. Anyway, it...

The new Court House must respect surroundings, esp. City Hall - it should be subject to Toronto Design Review Panel. Paris Court House is simply a stack of boxes. rising well above an otherwise indistinct cityscape in that area of Paris. A huge design issue for Toronto - good luck Renzo Piano!

It will be better if these undistinguished buildings just blend into the neighbourhood - less silver spandrels the better.

I agree - Ontario Place should be a cluster of water-related uses, including marina.