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  1. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    That was a purely technical discussion which I agreed that Porter's numbers are correct. What are you talking about?
  2. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I'm little bit lost here. Do you really think an aircraft doesn't release any exhaust emissions while sitting on the ground and running its engines at full speed for 15 minutes for whatever testing they are doing, or during taxi, take-off, landing? We didn't asked for ferry either...
  3. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Sorry, I will correct myself: 1216 + (168 + 168) - 180 = 1,372m which satisfies the both minimum take-off and landing distances of CS-100 for urban operations: Take off run at MTOW: 1,219 m (3,999 ft) Landing field length at MLW: 1,341 m (4,400 ft)...
  4. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    What is the point of having a safety zone if you are going to use it in your daily operations under normal conditions? That doesn't make sense. I thought 90+60=150m RESA zone would be beyond the runway strip, and so-called "Operational RESA" can only be achieved by actually reducing the...
  5. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    You can ignore my message if you find it irrelevant. I posted that message because I found his and his brother's statements (which I highlighted with bold) very relevant and applicable to our case. I wish they could show the same support and respect to downtown residents too. Edit: Actually I...
  6. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Thank you, it is more clear now. To my understanding, as per clause 302.556, 150m RESA zone at each end of the runway will be standard and mandatory; and 300m RESA zone at each end of the runway as mentioned in Transportation Safety Board of Canada's web page will remain as a wish, or may...
  7. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Isn't it ironic how Ford brothers reacted against Humbertown redevelopment plan? "This isn’t downtown, this Etobicoke,†said Mr. Ford, who lives in the Humber Valley area, as does his brother Doug. “Personally, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Humbertown .… We cannot let...
  8. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    1. Porter claims new jets are comparably quiet (I would say comparably noisy), but I haven't heard any claim regarding their exhaust emissions. I expect a jet engine would produce 30% more exhaust gases than a similar turboprop. 2. Noise levels should be same as claimed by Porter and we...
  9. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I wish TPA had published all information regarding RESA requirements transparently and accurately so we would't need to argue. Apparently none of us know what it is all about.
  10. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Isn't it "recommended" that all runways greater than 1,200m (3,937 ft) in length would require a RESA? (TP312 4th edition) Also Transportation Safety Board of Canada says: "In Canada, our regulatory standards for runways lag behind international standards and best practices in other...
  11. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Not me but both TPA and Porter knew that it was coming. TPA wrote a letter to Rob Ford on February 13th, 2013 and asked him to "consider amending the Tripartite Agreement to provide changes to the airport's footprint and/or property boundaries if required by federal aviation regulations and...
  12. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Details: http://www.torontoport.com/About-TPA/Media-Room/Press-Releases/Lakefill-Proposal-to-Improve-Marine-Safety-Around-.aspx
  13. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    There is no such requirement (yet). TPA claimed that lake fill was required in order to keep the marine vessels out of the Marine Exclusion Zone. They also claimed: There is no plan to extend the runway at BBTCA. The TPA has operated the BBTCA based upon the terms of the 1983 Tripartite...
  14. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Tripartite agreement protects the environment, rights of the residents as well as operational rights of the city airport and establishes a balance between them. This can be reviewed and amended on the same grounds with a mutual agreement. Current request of Porter's does not consider any balance...
  15. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Nfitz, please be assured that I have nothing to do with diesel trains and fumes killing children, in fact I don't even have a car. If you are referring to Union Station - Pearson express, I totally support complete electrification of that line ASAP. If asked, I will be willing to pay an...
  16. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    You are not bringing any intelligent argument to the table, just repeating the same song: nimbys, nimbys, nimbys, jets, jets, jets... By any change do you have any relationship with Rob Ford?
  17. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    You are more optimistic than me. I think they will kill it immediately without any need for further investigation, and the reason will be clear: "it is against tripartite agreement". But for a moment let's assume we get support from City, TPA and Federal Government and amend the tripartite...
  18. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Most importantly because it is against the tripartite agreement which protects rights and interests of all parties. We have to live together and there is a contract says how. What you think Mr. Deluce would do if residents of waterfront make a request to amend the tripartite agreement...
  19. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Issue is not only noise. Smaller planes and helicopters are making 10 times more noise than Porter's planes but yet I support their co-existence at the city airport and respect their rights secured by the tripartite agreement. I am against sweetheart deals given to private companies, waste of...
  20. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I used word "noise" in the meaning of irrelevant data.

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