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  1. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    "In any case, Bombardier has guaranteed Porter that the plane will meet the limits. Consultants also conclude that the new jets – part of a quieter, cleaner new generation of aviation technology – will meet air-pollution standards." This is the main argument of Porter. It is not true...
  2. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Actually a better comparison would be Gardiner. It was there when I moved in, I knew that it would be noisy and dirty, and it is getting worse every year. Problem is, there are not too many things I can do about it. I can complain to the City, and they will tell me "we are working on it". It is...
  3. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    You are right, that was not my intention, sorry for misunderstanding.
  4. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I am not a tree-hugger or nudist. We need cars (i don't have), we need airports (I use a lot), we need power plants, we need mines, we need oil. Standards set by governments are "minimum" levels to maintain a healthy nation. We cannot demand a mountain fresh air, but there is a "minimum" level...
  5. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I am trying. I actually enjoy intelligent arguments and sharing information. However it is beyond my comprehension how much "hate" is out there for people living in downtown. It seems there are some people here in this forum actually enjoy the fact that our kids are exposed to more air and...
  6. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Environmental Noise Guideline is applicable to all, there is no difference between "poor" or "rich" neighborhoods. Also I do not have any problem supporting any action taken against government as well as against private corporations and companies who think they can privatize the air we breath...
  7. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    A note to noise arguments: This morning (December 05, 2013) 4 planes started their engines at 06:30am, and took off between 06:45 - 07:00am. I measured noise level in my apartment during that duration, and it was between 40-50 dBA. With proposed expansion, number of movements per day can be...
  8. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    It is called payments-in-liue-of taxes. I don't know legal background of it, however it is legitimate. You cannot refuse to pay. Unless you are a Federal Government Agency I guess. And again, $31m unpaid taxes covers 14 years, means $2m/year. So, it sounds fair, even little bit low to me...
  9. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Unpaid $31m covers 14 years (1999-2012), which makes approximately $2m/year. I think it is a fair amount giving the land they are occupying in the middle of downtown. As I said, only one condo building can raise as much as $2m/year, so in my opinion their claim and cry is not valid. I...
  10. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    A single condo building in the area can raise as much as $2m per year in taxes. And this is what TPA offering, $2m per year. Well, we are getting "zilch" anyway, so better to be a park so we can reduce the carbon emissions in downtown and at least reduce the health bill. Didn't know that.
  11. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    You can challenge MPAC's assessment but there is no such calculation as "per passenger". TPA simply takes what Pearson paid and divide by number of passengers. If you do the same calculation today for 2012, ($27,575,000)/ (34,900,000 passengers) = 0.79 cents/passenger. So it is not a fixed rate...
  12. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    That was the Rob Ford story :) he actually approved the writing of $26 million while some of the Councillors were out for lunch. Thanks to a smart move from Councillor Mary Margaret McMahon, they had to re-vote and it was rejected. What a shame.
  13. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Oh, that 94 cents.... there is a good Rob Ford story behind that one too... The Star, Published on Tue Apr 02 2013: A confidential staff report going to city council Wednesday says Ottawa owes the city about $31 million in payments in lieu of property taxes on the island airport, covering...
  14. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Good. That means I can sue City of Toronto to compensate my capital losses and if necessary moving expenses if they allow the proposed changes in the tripartite agreement without any proper study and totally in favor to a private company. Also lower real estate prices means lower property...
  15. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Looks like you know the history very well too, yes it was not the speed bumpers, it was the "no-stopping" bylaw for the roadway in front of the ferry dock to build a sidewalk for the school. Same story, TPA launched a lawsuit and won. Point here is TPA has a leverage to launch lawsuit...
  16. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    So you accept the correlation between real estate prices and proximity to an airport?
  17. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Just for fun: Speed record of TGV (conventional high speed train in France, which runs on wheels, not magnetic bullet trains in Japan) 574.8kmh - 357.16mph http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8skXT5NQzCg On the bright side, Canada is becoming a popular tourist destination for nostalgic train...
  18. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Actually it is quite true that there can be tons of recreational areas around airports; this is one way to use the land which cannot be used for residential purposes. Racing tracks, golf courses, expo centers, lots of green space to reduce the carbon footprint, all very common. However, they are...
  19. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    It is a part of the tripartite agreement and very open to interpretation. Before there was a lawsuit between TPA and City of Toronto regarding installation of speed bumpers (or something like that, I don't remember) in front of the public school, in which TPA was claiming that it was causing...

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