Dundas West/ Bloor Mobility Hub +interconnected hub network (Metrolinx)

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Love the concrete ties, they look so much better than the wood ones (and are quieter when you’re on the train).

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Love the concrete ties, they look so much better than the wood ones (and are quieter when you’re on the train).

But can the concrete ties be recycled as garden walls?

 

[crs1026]

But can the concrete ties be recycled as garden walls?

LOL. When the Newfoundland Railway was torn up, every garden center in the Maritimes had a stack of used ties for sale for garden use.

The neat part being, the narrow-guage spike holes made it clear where the ties were from.

I was sorely tempted to rent a truck and import a bunch. Probably some rules against that.

- Paul

 

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So in future, if you got off a car at the north end of the platform, you'll have to walk an extra half kilometer to get to the tunnel and back if you wanted to get to Wallace Avenue? Where previously you'd be walking about 80m?

 

[M II A II R II K]

Better to pick the right carriage in advance to alight from.

 

[Mrgeosim]

So in future, if you got off a car at the north end of the platform, you'll have to walk an extra half kilometer to get to the tunnel and back if you wanted to get to Wallace Avenue? Where previously you'd be walking about 80m?

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It's one of the tradeoffs to having a new track on the eastern side. The only way to solve for this issue is to build an underground concourse similar to the one at Randolph. You would have to dig it out, coordinate with the train schedule, and install four elevators (as per accessibility standards), just to somewhat assist the few people that would be getting off at Bloor Station and head north on the east side of the tracks. That project would be tens of millions of dollars. If you ask me, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

[facepalming_brooklynite]

It's one of the tradeoffs to having a new track on the eastern side. The only way to solve for this issue is to build an underground concourse similar to the one at Randolph. You would have to dig it out, coordinate with the train schedule, and install four elevators (as per accessibility standards), just to somewhat assist the few people that would be getting off at Bloor Station and head north on the east side of the tracks. That project would be tens of millions of dollars. If you ask me, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

I guess that's the same reason why the Lansdowne GO station will not have a tunnel at the Southern end of the platform (despite the convenience this would bring for access to the new cluster of buildings around the MOCA building

 

[max]

It's one of the tradeoffs to having a new track on the eastern side. The only way to solve for this issue is to build an underground concourse similar to the one at Randolph. You would have to dig it out, coordinate with the train schedule, and install four elevators (as per accessibility standards), just to somewhat assist the few people that would be getting off at Bloor Station and head north on the east side of the tracks. That project would be tens of millions of dollars. If you ask me, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Just extend the platforms north to stairs that connect to the Wallace Avenue Footbridge.

 

[crs1026]

Just extend the platforms north to stairs that connect to the Wallace Avenue Footbridge.

Definitely less expensive than a second set of tunnels, but...don't underestimate the lighting, winter maintenance, adjusting track centers, fencing or hard walling, cameras and security. And the mods to the footbridge. And accessibility considerations.

Unfortunately any GO station will have only a certain number of access points. It has been nice to have easy access from the east in the past, but that has been a bonus and not a standard design feature. Sad to see that convenience lost, but backtracking to the tunnel portal is pretty standard on the GO system.

- Paul

 

[Mrgeosim]

Just extend the platforms north to stairs that connect to the Wallace Avenue Footbridge.

That's actually a pretty good idea. Since the bridge is an existing structure, it may allow them to circumvent accessibility standards. This may be something to bring up to Marit Stiles and Alejandra Bravo.

 

[nfitz]

That's actually a pretty good idea. Since the bridge is an existing structure, it may allow them to circumvent accessibility standards. This may be something to bring up to Marit Stiles and Alejandra Bravo.

I doubt it would exempt them from anything - but station accessibility doesn't generally require that all entrances be accessible. You don't even see that in new subway stations - Avenue station comes to mind !

 

[lastcommodore]

Is it accessibility standards that every entrance must be accessible? I don't think it is. Even the new Confederation GO station has a set of stairs down to Centennial Parkway sidewalk that is only stairway.

 

[Mrgeosim]

I doubt it would exempt them from anything - but station accessibility doesn't generally require that all entrances be accessible. You don't even see that in new subway stations - Avenue station comes to mind !

https://www.ttc.ca/subway-stations/avenue-station - the TTC website says that it's accessible. Every station on the Eglinton line is accessible.
https://www.aoda.ca/ontario-public-transit/ - Legislation was passed that would make Ontario fully accessible by 2025 (yeah lol that didn't happen)

Also, I did a bit of research afterwards. There is no grandfathering. If Metrolinx builds anything, they have 100% accessibility in mind. As a father of three little ones that rely on a stroller, I'm a huge fan of this, but I also want to see things get built

 

[lastcommodore]

https://www.ttc.ca/subway-stations/avenue-station - the TTC website says that it's accessible. Every station on the Eglinton line is accessible.

probably a case of misunderstanding here -- @nfitz is saying that Avenue has inaccessible entrances, not that Avenue is inaccessible
Avenue has the main entrance with an elevator and escalator, and there are side entrances that are comedically deep with only stairs.

 

[nfitz]

https://www.ttc.ca/subway-stations/avenue-station - the TTC website says that it's accessible. Every station on the Eglinton line is accessible.
https://www.aoda.ca/ontario-public-transit/ - Legislation was passed that would make Ontario fully accessible by 2025 (yeah lol that didn't happen)

Also, I did a bit of research afterwards. There is no grandfathering. If Metrolinx builds anything, they have 100% accessibility in mind. As a father of three little ones that rely on a stroller, I'm a huge fan of this, but I also want to see things get built

As I said, not every entrance has to be accessible. Every station has to be accessible - but if the station has, for example, 3 entrances; only one has to be accessible.