Bradford Bypass (MTO, Hwy 400 - Hwy 404)

[north-of-anything]

Unless you’re willing to have lake Simcoe contaminated?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028456192549220780

You can pull an anonymous social media post to justify any position. The existence of road salt shouldn't kneecap the regional transportation network.

Building the Bradford Bypass would allow Bradford to follow through with their plan to transform Dissette Street from a truck traffic sewer to a high-density neighbourhood serviced by the adjacent GO station. Getting more people onto GO trains is an environmental benefit, as is diverting population growth in South Simcoe away from suburban tract housing.

 

[Dreambig1]

And who is benefiting from this? Wealthy Developers who bought up land nearby?

I'd like to think the general public does through giving us all another option to navigate an already busy city in the country. But if you're talking about "land alone," I would say anyone who owns land in the highways imediate path, not just anyone who's considered wealthy

 

[Dreambig1]

Everyone in the towns of Bradford, East Gwillimbury, and anyone who has to travel to or through those towns on perpetually congested arterial roads.

Unlike some other proposed freeways in Ontario, this one has overwhelming local support. Bring it on.

agree. The 400 and 401 are already insane with traffic. If this highway provides another option for the people, then I agree, bring it on.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

You can pull an anonymous social media post to justify any position. The existence of road salt shouldn't kneecap the regional transportation network.

Building the Bradford Bypass would allow Bradford to follow through with their plan to transform Dissette Street from a truck traffic sewer to a high-density neighbourhood serviced by the adjacent GO station. Getting more people onto GO trains is an environmental benefit, as is diverting population growth in South Simcoe away from suburban tract housing.

America and Canada were basically the only developed nations in the post-WW2 world that didn’t invest public funds into railroads thanks to Big Auto, and we see how it played out.

 

[Dreambig1]

The pro highway posters don't give a shit about the environment. You won't persuade them with facts like this

"Environmental pearl clutchers" don't seem to get that people do not want to sit in traffic jams after working 8-hour shifts.

America and Canada were basically the only developed nations in the post-WW2 world that didn’t invest public funds into railroads thanks to Big Auto, and we see how it played out.

I'm pretty sure thats not true many countries invested in everything especially europe and asia after WWII why because they had been bombed after years of war so they had to. and many countries realized highway transportation is just as important now as trains were in the 19th centrity before the car

 

[Undead]

"Environmental pearl clutchers" don't seem to get that people do not want to sit in traffic jams after working 8-hour shifts.

Imagine if instead they spent a fraction of the effort being mad at RTO which is causing so much additional, unnecessary driving lol.

 

[PL1]

agree. The 400 and 401 are already insane with traffic. If this highway provides another option for the people, then I agree, bring it on.

*If* this was coupled with an absolute ban on further sprawl and development on small towns – which it won't – then build it. Instead, traffic will be worse within a couple of years of this opening

Edit: ban, not name. Autocorrect fail that I didn't catch

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

*If* this was coupled with an absolute name on further sprawl and development on small towns – which it won't – then build it. Instead, traffic will be worse within a couple of years of this opening

And wouldn’t they support endangered species then? I don’t think so. Here’s what Tdot resident pointed out few months ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1994459601937236119

 

[Steve X]

And wouldn’t they support endangered species then? I don’t think so. Here’s what Tdot resident pointed out few months ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1994459601937236119

Clearly this person don't understand that there isn't another link besides the 401 between the 400 and 404 unless you want to folk out $10 for the 407.

This isn't meant to be used this way but for someone to get from Barrie to (northern) Scarborough can bypass the jam via 400 and 401. Instead they can take the Bradford Bypass onto the 404 and avoid all the headaches on the 401. I'm sure they'll save more than half an hour, especially once construction season on the 401 is factored in.

 

[Northern Light]

"Environmental pearl clutchers" don't seem to get that people do not want to sit in traffic jams after working 8-hour shifts.

1) Resorting to name-calling automatically undermines any position you take, no matter the position. Argue the merits, not the person.

2) It is the choice of any given person where they work, and where they live, being stuck in a traffic jam is a choice, and one I should not have to subsidize the mitigation of, because another person chose to work an hour or more from home. I say that as car owner and driver, who simply would never take a job 50km away.

 

[Dreambig1]

Imagine if instead they spent a fraction of the effort being mad at RTO which is causing so much additional, unnecessary driving lol.

I work from home 3 of 5 days a week. And I can tell you, along with the research and what companies have been saying. its not all that it's cracked up to be. Dealing with the existence of roads is something the "mud hut" brigade has to live with whether they like it or not because millions of people are not going back to horses and buggies.

 

[Dreambig1]

*If* this was coupled with an absolute name on further sprawl and development on small towns – which it won't – then build it. Instead, traffic will be worse within a couple of years of this opening

The real conversation IMO needs to be about returning the 407 to public hands and eliminating the tolls. This would be a much better option for east-west travel through the GTA

 

[Dreambig1]

1) Resorting to name-calling automatically undermines any position you take, no matter the position. Argue the merits, not the person.

2) It is the choice of any given person where they work, and where they live, being stuck in a traffic jam is a choice, and one I should not have to subsidize the mitigation of, because another person chose to work an hour or more from home. I say that as car owner and driver, who simply would never take a job 50km away.

not name calling its pointing out the foolishness of must environmentalist who, if they had it there way, we would all be living in the Middle Ages again. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Dreambig1]

1) Resorting to name-calling automatically undermines any position you take, no matter the position. Argue the merits, not the person.

2) It is the choice of any given person where they work, and where they live, being stuck in a traffic jam is a choice, and one I should not have to subsidize the mitigation of, because another person chose to work an hour or more from home. I say that as car owner and driver, who simply would never take a job 50km away.

For the second point of that remark, go tell that to the youth of Canada struggling with high unemployment. Go tell them if they do get a job EVEN IF ITS AN HOUR AWAY that's shame on them, according to you. You, people, are unreal.

 

[Dreambig1]

I will say this: if we can all strike a good balance between the environment and progress, I'm fine with that. But so many environmentalists don't want a balance; they want all environment and nothing else, and that's not realistic. Toronto and the GTA have some of the worst traffic in the world, and to have an anti-highway/road mentality is, as I said, foolish. We need to actively build and find solutions to this problem and not clutch our pearls at the prospect of a road being built.