Admiral Beez
Superstar
A good summary of how the US is kippered.
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kEiThZ
Superstar
Fairly sure they'll have to call it quits soon. Whether the IRGC agrees to stop fighting is another question.
Full Metal Junkie
Senior Member
But Donnie Tinyhands is stomping his feets, flaring his nostrils, pursing his lips, and demanding that NATO comes to his rescue! Or else... or else he destroys the NATO itself!
I'm having trouble figuring out how he's planning to fit all of that (plus destroying Cuba) in between his already busy golfing schedule.
I'm having trouble figuring out how he's planning to fit all of that (plus destroying Cuba) in between his already busy golfing schedule.
Mihairokov
Senior Member
One of the more reasonable outcomes of this is going to be the complete American withdrawal from the Gulf and a realignment of regional control and influence away from the US and towards Iran et. al. The big question is how Israel reacts to that, because presumably the Americans will continue to support Israel regardless. But they've lost their positions in Qatar/UAE/Kuwait/Iraq, and that's a big blow to their world police priorities in the region. At this stage it's a resounding victory for Iran in the face of American hegemony, which frankly was the only real "good" outcome of all of this. Gulf states lose a lot of sheen of tourism which is what they were trying to diversify towards.
Remaining question is what Israel looks like once they come forward with what's up with Netanyahu and where they go from here. But the Gulf, and by extension Israel, are seemingly no longer safe havens for the wealthy seeking slavestate playgrounds.
Full Metal Junkie
Senior Member
How is that a reasonable outcome?
US/Israel have so far won every single military battle (while losing the political war). The only "victory" for the Islamic Republic is the fact that they managed to survive and are still in charge of Iran. Plus the fact that they are successfully terrorizing the merchant shipping in the Persian Gulf. What is "good" in any of this?
Mihairokov
Senior Member
It's more reasonable than the US turning all of Iran into glass. Which, hey, may still be on the table anyway.
Military battle? This isn't the thirty years' war. There are no battles anymore...what we've witnessed has been the world's most infallible military over the past century showing incredible weakpoints and insufficiency when their opponent has access to something like satellites. Likewise, Israel's inability to defend itself when it isn't shooting just children.
And what has the US accomplished in that same timeframe? Netanyahu has been MIA for a week.
The alternative is the US regime-changing Iran and further dominating the region under its thumb. The alternative, our current one where the US is failing at every turn, is better in that sense. Continuing US hegemony throughout the world makes all of us worse off. If anything, not only has the US lost its control over the Middle East, but it's also relinquished whatever military control it had in East Asia, to boot, not only by moving its THAADs to ME but also in showing how its aircraft carriers like to flood and catch on fire, and in showing how its bases are mostly defenseless and provide no real upside to its host country. An incredible geopolitical self-own if there ever was one. I struggle to think of a world power that has lost as much of its soft and hard power as the US has lost in the past 16 months.
picard102
Senior Member
The US and Israel flopping trying to overthrow a government the US installed isn't a CRINK narrative.
lenaitch
Senior Member
MisterF
Senior Member
Sounds like a reliable caretaker of Iran's enriched uranium to me.
"We'll take the uranium back now"
"What uranium?"
Admiral Beez
Superstar
You can't blame Iran for wanting nukes. Having nukes the only reason the US hasn't attacked North Korea, China and perhaps Pakistan, and why Israel is safe from its neighbours. Only one country has used nuclear weapons in anger, and the US may well have repeated their use if not for the MAD.
afransen
Senior Member
This whole exercise is essentially just confirmation for Iran that they 100% need a nuclear deterrent.
Full Metal Junkie
Senior Member
Just like Putin brokered the chemical weapons deal with Syria.
"Comrades Americans, we made sure all Syrian chemical weapons are destroyed"
"You mean the chemical weapons Assad just dropped on Khan Shaykhun?"
And Syrian chemical weapons is a perfect example of how low the threshold for the use of weapons of mass destruction is, especially when they are in the hands of irresponsible state actors. Imagine the religious fanatics of the Islamic Republic get their hands on a nuke. It would become less of a strategic deterrence for Iran and more of the world waiting for a nuke to go off over Tel Aviv.
narduch
Senior Member
Imagine witnessing the Americans and Israelis in action and then accuse other nations of being irresponsible
narduch
Senior Member
Senior American intelligence official resigns because the case for war with Iran was bs.
picard102
Senior Member
"Irresponsible state actors" already have nukes, the US and Russia have the majority of them.
We don't have to imagine the religious fanatics of the Trump Administration declaring a holy war on an Arab country.