Toronto Fairview Mall Redevelopment | 176.9m | 52s | Cadillac Fairview | HPA + Adamson

sixrings said:
I doubt given our weather that malls will be the ones that die out. It’s plazas and big box stores first.
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I mean if you completely ignore the last 15 years of retail trends, sure. Unfortunately the reality is the opposite - retail has spent the last 15 years shifting from malls to plazas.

People want quick in and out services in retail, which means plazas. Malls are more of a 'spend an afternoon shopping" type activity which consumers are increasingly avoiding in favour of online shopping. What they still do in person is more plaza-format supportive.
 
innsertnamehere said:
I mean if you completely ignore the last 15 years of retail trends, sure. Unfortunately the reality is the opposite - retail has spent the last 15 years shifting from malls to plazas.

People want quick in and out services in retail, which means plazas. Malls are more of a 'spend an afternoon shopping" type activity which consumers are increasingly avoiding in favour of online shopping. What they still do in person is more plaza-format supportive.
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do you have any data to support yours statements. Has plazas and big box stores become a thing in the last 20 years. Sure they have. But they are all on land managed by people just waiting for the land to be valuable enough to be worth developing on. There’s a reason big box stores are built so cheaply. They are temporary and were not made to be there in 50 years.

Not all malls will survive. We can see honeydale and woodbine mall are examples of that. But there are plenty of malls which are doing perfectly fine.

we all know Yorkdale is the top mall in Canada by sales per square feet. Square one and Scarborough town centre have both improved. Oxford has done well in the gta. https://renx.ca/oxfords-gta-malls-break-sales-records

Ranked by sales per square foot, ICSC’s annual rankings spotlight the top 25 Canadian shopping centres, which includes 13 CF shopping centres in 2023:

  • CF Toronto Eaton Centre
  • CF Pacific Centre
  • CF Richmond Centre
  • CF Chinook Centre
  • CF Sherway Gardens
  • CF Carrefour Laval
  • CF Masonville
  • CF Rideau Centre
  • CF Market Mall
  • CF Polo Park
  • CF Fairview Mall
  • CF Markville Mall
  • CF Fairview Pointe Claire

So unless you believe one of the top 25 malls is going to cease to exist I would think your assessment isn’t accurate. You see that Fairview is two below Ottawas version of Eatons Centre. That should tell you it’s perfectly fine and there are plenty of people who still like the mall experience.
 
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December resubmission here with stat changes summarized in table below
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* affordable unit count increased from 17 to 18

Additional revisions can be read in the cover letter
 
A couple of observations from the above:

Typical Toiwer Layout:

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At ~700m2 net floor plate (space allocated to units), and 11 units per floor ....these unit sizes are too small The average size is something like 675ft2.

Which would be great if these were all 1 bdrm, but instead, they're squeezing 3 2-bed units and 1 3 bed unit into that layout. There's no way those units make sense.

@Paclo already flagged the affordable housing, but I want to draw that to @HousingNowTO 's attention - 18 units

I know he likes to see total beds so, 11 1bed, 5 2 bed, 2 3 bed. Total beds: 27 beds

This is ~3% of GFA

On elevators 4 to 585 units leaves us with 1 elevator for every 146 units.
 
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Northern Light said:
A couple of observations from the above:

Typical Toiwer Layout:

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At ~700m2 net floor plate (space allocated to units), and 11 units per floor ....these unit sizes are too small The average size is something like 675ft2.

Which would be great if these were all 1 bdrm, but instead, they're squeezing 3 2-bed units and 1 3 bed unit into that layout. There's no way those units make sense.

@Paclo already flagged the affordable housing, but I want to draw that to @HousingNowTO 's attention - 18 units

I know he likes to see total beds so, 11 1bed, 5 2 bed, 2 3 bed. Total beds: 27 beds

This is ~3% of GFA

On elevators 4 to 585 units leaves us with 1 elevator for every 146 units.
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So many fails (unit size, elevator ratio,...)
 
Northern Light said:
A couple of observations from the above:

@Paclo already flagged the affordable housing, but I want to draw that to @HousingNowTO 's attention - 18 units

I know he likes to see total beds so, 11 1bed, 5 2 bed, 2 3 bed. Total beds: 27 beds

This is ~3% of GFA
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Thanks for the AFFORDABLE RENTAL stats, "minimum of 3% of new R-GFA for 40-years", isn't bad -- as since it is a MINIMUM, there's always an opportunity to layer on additional incentives.

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1800 SHEPPARD AVE E​



Site Plan Control Application proposes the development of a 48-storey mixed-use building providing residential and commercial use at grade. The building will provide a total of 584 residential units, being a mix of 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom, and 3-bedroom units. A paved access will be provided, leading to 2 levels of below-grade parking, providing a total of 79 parking spaces; as well as 202 bicycle parking spaces. The proposed development provides a total GFA of 38,736.20 square metres and a FSI of 6.4. Additionally, the proposed development provides 1,236.13 square metres of indoor amenity space and 948.04 square metres of outdoor amenity space.


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