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11th said:
I think you just said so yourself. On the regional map, there is already a dark blue for Barrie, and light blue for Richmond Hill. Adding (back) another blue into the mix doesn't help - especially when line 3 will crisscross with those two lines on the map.
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My point was that the same argument should've applied against choosing any shade of blue for L10, but it didn't.
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At the time this was being examined, the Scarborough Line was still in service. So not knowing how closely Line 3 would close down and the Ontario Line would open, there was some question as to whether there was going to be confusion that would arise that would require a bunch of change management.
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I mean, they had no qualms about reusing the L3 designation (as opposed to giving it a different number), even though the same argument should've applied there too.
nottoban said:
There were four possible colours considered, the Scarborough Line blue, a darker blue, turquoise and a purple that was always bluer than the Sheppard “raspberry” (I stand to be corrected, but I believe the Sheppard colour started out very magenta and has gotten bluer over the years; see the tubing on the platform walls—Mel Lastman’s choice apparently).
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An alternative good choice for L3 would've been the pink which ML uses for its font.

Anyway, this nice pattern here could've been L1–L5 if they didn't mess up the color choices.
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I am a little confused on the connection at Don Valley - the OL station seems to be on the south side of the Science Center building, while the existing line 5 LRT's Don Valley station is all the way on the north end - is there going to be an underground connection between these stations? I hope they are not expecting people to walk on the surface that would make it feel unconnected
 
ciceror said:
I am a little confused on the connection at Don Valley - the OL station seems to be on the south side of the Science Center building, while the existing line 5 LRT's Don Valley station is all the way on the north end - is there going to be an underground connection between these stations? I hope they are not expecting people to walk on the surface that would make it feel unconnected
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That render with the Science Centre in the background is of Flemingdon Park station, not Don Valley station.

Flemingdon Park is a lot closer to the former Science Centre than Science Centre is - especially with the Ontario Line platforms being just north of the northwest corner of the Don Mills/Eglinton intersection.
 
ciceror said:
I am a little confused on the connection at Don Valley - the OL station seems to be on the south side of the Science Center building, while the existing line 5 LRT's Don Valley station is all the way on the north end - is there going to be an underground connection between these stations? I hope they are not expecting people to walk on the surface that would make it feel unconnected
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There’s gonna be two stations in that area.
 
hawc said:
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At least the Science Centre is still there in the rendering, rather than condos. One can hope!

Hopefully TMU, York, U of T or George Brown, will take it over as a new campus.
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I hope that cycle track on Don Mills in that rendering materializes! A cycle track on Don Mills from Overlea to Eglinton would help connect Thorncliffe Park and Flemingdon Park to Downtown Toronto by bike along with the Overlea bridge work that will also be coming down the pipe!
 
TwoWheelPoli said:
I hope that cycle track on Don Mills in that rendering materializes! A cycle track on Don Mills from Overlea to Eglinton would help connect Thorncliffe Park and Flemingdon Park to Downtown Toronto by bike along with the Overlea bridge work that will also be coming down the pipe!
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And a bike lane further north along Don Mills, until the 401 if not to Steeles & beyond.
 
TwoWheelPoli said:
I hope that cycle track on Don Mills in that rendering materializes! A cycle track on Don Mills from Overlea to Eglinton would help connect Thorncliffe Park and Flemingdon Park to Downtown Toronto by bike along with the Overlea bridge work that will also be coming down the pipe!
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Over the last 5 years, side streets in this stretch immediately to the east of Don Mills Road have been intensely modified with cycle lanes, and I presume this was done as a substitute for a lane on Don Mills itself. Also, that stretch of Don Mills has had a 1-person-per-car ban in the right lane, making it primarily for buses and cyclists, although all that goes out the window during construction. (And the road is always under construction.)
 
81-717 said:
My point was that the same argument should've applied against choosing any shade of blue for L10, but it didn't.

I mean, they had no qualms about reusing the L3 designation (as opposed to giving it a different number), even though the same argument should've applied there too.

An alternative good choice for L3 would've been the pink which ML uses for its font.

Anyway, this nice pattern here could've been L1–L5 if they didn't mess up the color choices.
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In the case of UP Express, it's a question of decisions happening in one part of the organization without fully understanding the impact of those decisions on other parts. For instance, GO green was changed about three times over the delivery lifecycle of the Crosstown. If all that impacted was the website and social media and for any printed material you could use the new green on a go-forward basis, that would be one thing. But there are GO logo signs at Mount Dennis and Kennedy that weren't considered in that decision making which then had to be adjusted. The full scope of the assets impacted by decisions wasn't understood.

With that in mind, the UP Express switch to blue was made in much the same way, and keeping the black or olive previously used as the line colour on maps found a lot of support after that change. The different line treatment hopefully keeps it reasonably distinguishable.

As for Line 10, both Mississauga and Brampton had partnered on a new brand identity for the LRT service which was then nullified when the Province decided to name it after Hazel McCallion. As the municipalities were not thrilled with this intervention, the instruction from TPTB was the municipalities be given a great deal of latitude to develop a brand identity for the Hazel McCallion Line and that pushing back on their decisions was to be avoided, and they ultimately chose a blue also.
 
81-717 said:
And a bike lane further north along Don Mills, until the 401 if not to Steeles & beyond.
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That part could be easier said than done as long as Doug Ford's Bills 212 and 60 remain, though that street is still part of the City's Major City-wide Cycling Routes.

However, there is one station which I could use some clarification on which is Thorncliffe Park. Is the cycle track only called for on the north (westbound) side near the station? I know a cycle track was built from Millwood to Leaside Park already on the south side. Would be awesome if both sides of Thorncliffe Park Drive could be connected with bike lanes.

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TwoWheelPoli said:
That part could be easier said than done as long as Doug Ford's Bills 212 and 60 remain, though that street is still part of the City's Major City-wide Cycling Routes.

However, there is one station which I could use some clarification on which is Thorncliffe Park. Is the cycle track only called for on the north (westbound) side near the station? I know a cycle track was built from Millwood to Leaside Park already on the south side. Would be awesome if both sides of Thorncliffe Park Drive could be connected with bike lanes.

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Conjecture on my part: I think this is a situation like the crosstown construction, where their jurisdiction is only for the sections they plan to teardown and build on. The bike path seems to be hugging the viaduct and underneath the station. So I would not be surprised that's as far as their render would bother with, as they would be building that section. Bike paths on the other side of the road would be for the city to figure out.
 
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