TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[Richard White]

Yeah, it's not like those kids will see advertising for beer in the street, or see it referenced in the media or by their peers or anything like that...

That's very much different from someone being half in the bag with kids around.

A drunk guy is alot more problematic than a poster.

 

[T3G]

OK. So the person doesn't have their drink on the TTC, but they consume it (or four) in an appropriate establishment, and then they get on the TTC. What changes?

Maybe we should ban intoxicated people from using the TTC? /s

 

[Mihairokov]

The person doing this has already shown they don't care about shame.

Conjecture.

But to be fair every single person arrested for that sort of an offence has MULTIPLE warrants or probation conditions they've breached before.

Conjecture.

You're letting assumptions control your entire worldview of the people around you. Assuming the worst is how we end up in a paranoid world where everyone is out to get you specifically. Tough way to live in a city surrounded by millions of people.

This'll be my last point on this since you seem to not want to discuss items you bring here in good faith. There are social media platforms built specifically for you if you want to get on a soapbox to complain about others.

 

[DSCToronto]

Conjecture.

Conjecture.

You're letting assumptions control your entire worldview of the people around you. Assuming the worst is how we end up in a paranoid world where everyone is out to get you specifically. Tough way to live in a city surrounded by millions of people.

This'll be my last point on this since you seem to not want to discuss items you bring here in good faith. There are social media platforms built specifically for you if you want to get on a soapbox to complain about others.

I recommend the Ignore option - if used sparingly.

 

[Richard White]

In other.. less inflammatory news.

I can confirm Warden now has a functioning elevator from the concourse to the subway platform.

I just pressed the button at Subway level. It came up and I was able to send it back down.

 

[TRONto]

Yeah, it's not like those kids will see advertising for beer in the street, or see it referenced in the media or by their peers or anything like that...

What I think would help the kids is if they're not exposed to puritanical hand wringing. I watched my first episode of Friends when I was 13 and I survived the experience just fine.

For me, It's not about being exposed to the drinking (American stats show that kids in grade 8 in the 80s drank more than those in grade 12 now), it's about that person who is drinking on the subway when it's not allowed and they don't care. The increased perceived risk to women, children and others discourages transit use. Transit needs to be perceived as safe for all.

 

[Richard White]

Also.. I had to cut power at Warden earlier at noon

A mentally Ill woman was on the eastbound tracks at Warden around noon today.

She was talking to herself, smacking herself and her bags and screaming on the platform. She then hopped down to track level and walked around.

After a few moments, she climbed back up, laid down and dangled her legs off the platform edge.

As this was all going on, the control board in the tower showed a train coming in eastbound.

For her safety not knowing what state she was in, I cut the power and called it in from the platform.

As I cut power, she was getting back on the platform but I wasn't about to risk a priority one.

Oddly enough both Transit Control and the attending supervisor were surprised I knew how to operate the power cut and call Transit Control. They thought I worked for the TTC.

Once power was cut, she fled the station but was later identified by Special Constables and myself on St Clair. I'm not certain but I believe she was detained pending the arrival of TPS.

Today was fun.

 

[DSCToronto]

In other.. less inflammatory news.

I can confirm Warden now has a functioning elevator from the concourse to the subway platform.

I just pressed the button at Subway level. It came up and I was able to send it back down.

I note you were smart enough not to actually get into it!!

 

[Richard White]

I note you were smart enough not to actually get into it!!

Didn't have the opportunity but I considered it.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

For me, It's not about being exposed to the drinking (American stats show that kids in grade 8 in the 80s drank more than those in grade 12 now), it's about that person who is drinking on the subway when it's not allowed and they don't care. The increased perceived risk to women, children and others discourages transit use. Transit needs to be perceived as safe for all.

Exactly. Transit is not your home - there are expectations of public decorum, which is required to maintain a neutral environment. Ditto people using the cellphones as boomboxes, smoking (tobacco, weed, crack or whatever), etc. Eating and littering eveyrwhere, to say nothing of relieving themselves. Zero tolerance.

AoD

 

[txlseries4]

The increased perceived risk to women, children and others discourages transit use. Transit needs to be perceived as safe for all.

Absolutely, and good for many of us to remember that while we may wring our hands over edge or extreme cases of disruptive or threatening behaviour, women and vulnerable groups often feel at risk from more subtle things or actions that men, especially white men, either don’t notice or don’t feel uncomfortable being exposed to. Waiting 10 minutes late at night on a sparse subway platform is at most inconvenient for me but can feel unsettling or unsafe for others. As a man I never have to think about someone leering like women experience.

 

[SubHuman]

... if you want to get on a soapbox to complain about others.

I assume most of us who use the TTC do so to get where we want to go, hopefully without running into the continual delays of 'security incident', 'trespasser at track level', etc.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ttc-experiences-93-hours-of-unplanned-delays-in-july-1.7630391

... 51 per cent of the holdups to external factors, such as disorderly patrons, the blocking of doors and unauthorized persons at track level.

As pointed out here previously, it would seem very likely to be a relatively small number of people with severe mental issues, like the one Richard White described above, who are repeatedly causing a large amount of the problems. I don't understand the attitude that releasing them to continually endanger themselves is somehow the morally correct action that is best for them, and the rest of us.

 

[turbanplanner]

Conjecture.

Conjecture.

You're letting assumptions control your entire worldview of the people around you. Assuming the worst is how we end up in a paranoid world where everyone is out to get you specifically. Tough way to live in a city surrounded by millions of people.

This'll be my last point on this since you seem to not want to discuss items you bring here in good faith. There are social media platforms built specifically for you if you want to get on a soapbox to complain about others.

How many examples of a violent crime committed by someone who is on bail/a repeat offender would satisfy you?

If you’re not going to listen why bother relying?


I think there is an incredibly small group of people out to lunch who are being let to run free! For some reason we keep letting them run out unsupervised.

Absolutely, and good for many of us to remember that while we may wring our hands over edge or extreme cases of disruptive or threatening behaviour, women and vulnerable groups often feel at risk from more subtle things or actions that men, especially white men, either don’t notice or don’t feel uncomfortable being exposed to. Waiting 10 minutes late at night on a sparse subway platform is at most inconvenient for me but can feel unsettling or unsafe for others. As a man I never have to think about someone leering like women experience.

Really good point! There are a lot of situations I’m happy to put up with that I wouldn’t ever expect my partner to deal with!

For a lot of people once you start acting strange you’ve broken the social contract of I won’t bug you if you don’t bug me. If somebody’s acting unpredictably, even if it’s not in a violent way, you don’t know what their next move is!

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

You're letting assumptions control your entire worldview of the people around you. Assuming the worst is how we end up in a paranoid world where everyone is out to get you specifically. Tough way to live in a city surrounded by millions of people.

Living in a city surrounded by millions of people requires everyone to have a general understanding of the rules and a commitment to following them. Failure to do that diminishes the use and enjoyment of public realm and services. TTC is running a transit service - the purpose of such a service is to get users from A to B, safely, quickly and in an environment that is as pleasant as possible. Allowing any activities that distracts from this key mission through disruptions does a disservice to their users, harms the organization in the long run and the jeopardizes the utility of public transit to the citizens.

AoD

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Maybe we should ban intoxicated people from using the TTC? /s

What's wrong with that? No one else should have to tolerate that s**t.

AoD