Roads: Redway Road Extension / "Leaside bypass"

[PL1]

Ha. Yeah the most NIMBY group of them all (even worse than my neighbours in Cabbagetown - who recently got a daycare cancelled)

Because as we all know the Chorley Park to Beltline Trail Connection nearly destroyed all of Rosedale!! Devastating.

During Jon Burnside's first term as a councilor, he was a proponent of the road, but the locals were (as was pointed out) loudly against it.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The Redway Road extension has been around since the 1980's and is what's left of an original plan to extend Leslie south. It's not going to happen due to opposition in Rosedale.

I do think it SHOULD happen though as it will remove a lot of through-traffic off local streets in Leaside and would not cost much. Loblaws built half of it for the city in the 90's when they build their grocery store..

 

[ShonTron]

The infamous Redway Road extension.

This should be a multiuse path, but not a road. Furthermore, it might be complicated by whatever route ALTO identifies for its Toronto terminus.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

The infamous Redway Road extension.

This should be a multiuse path, but not a road. Furthermore, it might be complicated by whatever route ALTO identifies for its Toronto terminus.

Yes, you would need to level a lot of land and trees to get a road through here, minimum ~8m, while a MUP could take up just 2.1m.

And yes, it’s not easy to see on satellite views with all the tree coverage but the Don Branch cuts right through and may be active again in the distant future.

 

[nfitz]

The road's already there. Just pave it and allow access to it. I can't be the first one to think of this.

I don't see an unpaved road in the aerial photographs. Are you sure that's not the Metrolinx tracks that are south of the CP mainline at this point? Or the hydro ROW?

 

[416InTrouble]

I know this proposed road, and a number of others nearby are still part of the City of Toronto Official Plan. It doesn't seem like the city has any appetite to build many of these proposed streets. There was quite a lot of backlash from the residents of Rosedale fearing traffic infiltration from such a link.

See Schedule 2 from the Official Plan: The Designation of Planned but Unbuilt Roads -

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/9056-cp-official-plan-Schedule-2.pdf

Awwwww but don’t they also want to save some time in their Bentleys and Rolls Royces?

 

[dowlingm]

The Redway Road extension has been around since the 1980's and is what's left of an original plan to extend Leslie south. It's not going to happen due to opposition in Rosedale.

I do think it SHOULD happen though as it will remove a lot of through-traffic off local streets in Leaside and would not cost much. Loblaws built half of it for the city in the 90's when they build their grocery store..

Perhaps these Redway posts (including this one) could be migrated to the original thread?

I would love to hear the story of how exactly Loblaws got permission to build that store. It would surely be unthinkable now.

I now live in the area (which I didn't when the original thread was humming along) and I can say that because of the limited street grid either side of Bayview, Southvale-Moore regularly slows to below walking pace between Hanna and Bessborough, because Leacrest isn't a full length street to the south and Sutherland has no light (yet) at Bayview to the north. That's not going to get better with the increasing conversion of Laird from industrial/commercial to residential.

Notwithstanding Northern Light's rather trenchant comments about the trilliums (in the original thread), I think a limited access road hugging the CP alignment between Bayview Extn & Nesbitt and Millwood & Redway is justifiable, at least for police/fire/EMS. The reason I would hold back from going further is that the Redway/Millwood/CP intersection is appalling. The other assumption is that the Metrolinx Don Branch will never be used by Alto or anyone else - contrary to some posts above, the Don Branch seems like nuclear fusion - 10 years away from a breakthrough no matter what year it is.

 

[smallspy]

Ha! I KNEW this would be the first response.

Cars aren't going to drive all through magical little Crothers Woods.

The road is already there. It parallels the train tracks. Which are already there. It would just be paving it.

Deep breath.

It wouldn't touch Crothers Woods.

So you don't believe in induced demand then.....

Dan

 

[smallspy]

The Redway Road extension has been around since the 1980's and is what's left of an original plan to extend Leslie south. It's not going to happen due to opposition in Rosedale.

I do think it SHOULD happen though as it will remove a lot of through-traffic off local streets in Leaside and would not cost much. Loblaws built half of it for the city in the 90's when they build their grocery store..

For the record.....

Most of the opposition was not from Rosedale. It was from Leasiders.

I would love to hear the story of how exactly Loblaws got permission to build that store. It would surely be unthinkable now.

The site had been a manufacturing/retail site since the 1920s, IIRC. They just moved in when the previous tenant moved out.

Dan

 

[Northern Light]

Ha! I KNEW this would be the first response.

Cars aren't going to drive all through magical little Crothers Woods.

Yes, they would, you seem unaware of the alignment.

The road is already there. It parallels the train tracks. Which are already there. It would just be paving it.

Also not correct. The entire roadway is not there, not even close.

It wouldn't touch Crothers Woods.

It very much would.

****

Deep breath. I squashed this project completely the last time it came up, and I would make every effort to do it again. * to be clear, I had lots of help.

 

[Northern Light]

For the record.....

Most of the opposition was not from Rosedale. It was from Leasiders.


The site had been a manufacturing/retail site since the 1920s, IIRC. They just moved in when the previous tenant moved out.

Dan

It was Crothers Equipment that first set up shop there. They were a dealership for Caterpillar. They closed in 1979.

This is what it looked like:

Source: https://hikingthegta.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/aerial-crothers.jpg

 

[Northern Light]

Self-identifying NIMBY?

That's obnoxious, and unreasonable thing to say.

I have a track record here for 18 years. Please don't say things for which there is no evidence, which are untrue and inflammatory.

For the record, I don't live anywhere near Leaside or Crothers Woods.

What I am, is a protector of nature.

 

[NoahB]

That's pretty obnoxious, unreasonable and inflammatory to say that anyone who believes in progress is a reckless destroyer.

A little street tucked right up against the train tracks (like Summerhll Avenue is east of Mt. Pleasant) would take traffic pressure off Leaside and make for a much shorter route over to Overlea and Laird. It would do nothing to Crothers Woods.

Yet you pride yourself in being anti-progress? You remind me of my conservative father who hates any new ideas. I'm happy to be more liberal minded!

You know as well as I do that nature must be conquered.

At any rate, you and I have always disagreed in my 14 years on here.

So I say to you, good day sir.

Sir, this is Wendy's Ontario Line thread.

Edit: it seems this post got moved from the Ontario Line thread to here after posting.

 

[Northern Light]

That's pretty obnoxious, unreasonable and inflammatory to say that anyone who believes in progress is a reckless destroyer.

That isn't what I said, which is what makes your posts inflammatory. You're simply inaccurate and say things that literally aren't true.

It would do nothing to Crothers Woods.

I've already told you this is incorrect. I know the alignment.

Which, is owned by Metrolinx who aren't selling.

The slope on which you would place the road was already evaluated and deemed insufficiently stable for the purpose of Redway w/o shoring and retaining walls.

Don't believe me, LOL....here, Councillor Burnside is/was a proponent of Redway:

Redway Road extension in Leaside unlikely

With traffic issues being a major community issue, the Redway Road Extension was brought back to the discussion table three years ago.

postcity.com

From the above:

Yet you pride yourself in being anti-progress? You remind me of my conservative father who hates any new ideas. I'm happy to be more liberal minded!

At any rate, you and I have always disagreed in my 14 years on here.

So I say to you, good day sir.

That actually isn't true, we have agreed on somethings, and I've defended your desire to own a car (as I do myself) against others who are more militantly anti-car.

But you do make carried away arguments and confuse your self-interest with progress, from time to time, when they are not one and the same.

 

[Northern Light]

If you were born at a different time you probably would have been anti-Spadina Expressway

I would have.

and we all know how shortsighted that was.

No, we don't all 'know' that; indeed a majority here would almost certainly disagree.