APTA-2048
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This is an on-demand scheme run by Argo Corporation on behalf of Brampton. Similar service was first launched in Bradford West Gwillimbury. Started quite recently. I haven’t been able to try it.
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TTC: Electric and alternative fuel buses
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Bordercollie
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I don't think it's in service. It's doing trials now.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Oh sorry, I meant the one in Bradford West Gwillimbury. Though the Brampton operation has been accepting passengers as part of its initial rollout phase which appears to have ended for now.
Mind_the_gap
Active Member
Geez, I wonder how this will pertain to Nova in the future...
Volvo after shifting bus production to Poland, and then closing the plant down there, has now partnered with MCV of Egypt to build electric city buses for Europe:
Press Release
I'll ask again, how soon until Nova is replaced with Made in Mexico city buses...
Volvo after shifting bus production to Poland, and then closing the plant down there, has now partnered with MCV of Egypt to build electric city buses for Europe:
I'll ask again, how soon until Nova is replaced with Made in Mexico city buses...
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Buses in North America (for municipalities or government) have a made in Canada/US content requirement of 50% or more. So unless you plan to miss out on those orders they won't be moving their manufacturing to Mexico.
RapidTransit
Active Member
And everyone knows that Quebec wouldn't accept a Mexico made bus. Heck, NewFlyer is struggling to enter the Quebec market and their Canadian.
Nova gets guaranteed orders in Quebec, they won't mess that up.
However I do believe NFI is working on a partnership with a local Quebec company to assemble buses to meet some Quebec requirements for that market.
Lastly, Nova just recently reversed their decision on going strictly EV. As a result of outcry from local transit agencies. And the technology not meeting a lot of expectations.
Nova gets guaranteed orders in Quebec, they won't mess that up.
However I do believe NFI is working on a partnership with a local Quebec company to assemble buses to meet some Quebec requirements for that market.
Lastly, Nova just recently reversed their decision on going strictly EV. As a result of outcry from local transit agencies. And the technology not meeting a lot of expectations.
Amare
Senior Member
Not withstanding the competition and job matters, the sooner Nova goes bunk the better. Either that or they get serious in improving the quality of the LFS, because the design is flawed and needs a serious update.
RapidTransit
Active Member
I agree , I'm not a fan of the novas. And they been getting away with this design for 30 years now and have gotten thousands of orders. So even I can't blame them for not changing. There was no incentive too. Look at TTC , they still went ahead with the order of over 100 unproven EV buses. We'll see what happens in a couple years. But the fact that TTC wants to go back to hybrid buses is already telling of how TTC feels about EV.
But always remember, the people that order these buses don't drive them, don't ride them, don't maintain them. So there will always be a disconnect between the manufacturer and the end user. So long as then meet a spec that fits a theory on paper and not the reality of real world, many things won't change for the better.
And that's not including the political support Nova has in Quebec that's willing to look pass all that in the name of independence and supporting local.
I even heard a rumor about Volvo thinking of pulling out the North American market and either getting rid of or selling off Nova. But Quebec had a meeting with them about staying with some grants.
But like I said earlier, Nova/Volvo has appeared to change directions since.
But always remember, the people that order these buses don't drive them, don't ride them, don't maintain them. So there will always be a disconnect between the manufacturer and the end user. So long as then meet a spec that fits a theory on paper and not the reality of real world, many things won't change for the better.
And that's not including the political support Nova has in Quebec that's willing to look pass all that in the name of independence and supporting local.
I even heard a rumor about Volvo thinking of pulling out the North American market and either getting rid of or selling off Nova. But Quebec had a meeting with them about staying with some grants.
But like I said earlier, Nova/Volvo has appeared to change directions since.
kvvoyage
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Noticed 2 of the 6000 series XE40s on the 95 yesterday, as well as one on the 116 - assuming electrification infrastructure is done to some degree at least at Malvern now?
smallspy
Senior Member
That has nothing to do with how the TTC "feels" about EVs, and everything to do with how the political winds are blowing.
If you were told that if you bought a new electric car that 50% of its upfront costs would be covered for you, wouldn't you do it?
It appears that they started service earlier this week, so yes, at least some of the charging stations are now active at Malvern.
Dan
RapidTransit
Active Member
TTC or political winds- they all work together on EV. However you want to split the hair.
smallspy
Senior Member
No, not at all.
The TTC has shifted multiple times on various technologies over the years because that's where the money is allocated to.
Natural gas, hybrids, battery electric - those are all examples of technologies that the TTC was given loads of directed money for in a short period of time.
If the TTC had its way, they would still be buying diesel powered 40 foot buses and nothing else. No hybrids, no battery electrics, no articulateds. Nothing.
Dan
BrenWilson
Active Member
It would be nice if Volvo could actually have Nova produce volvo designs instead of dragging the LFS into a 4th decade.
jcam
Active Member
That's not true of the folks in fleet engineering. We're seeing pullback in lots of places, partly because of manufacturing capacity to deliver, but also the funding.
Steve X
Senior Member
TTC would have to order what's on the market. Since everyone is embracing a green future with manufactures phasing out diesel buses. TTC can't get their way of ordering more diesel buses anymore, something that would have still happened 5 years ago if politicians didn't intervene. The ebus trials wouldn't have happened and TTC would be like Miway ordering hybrids now.
Going electric is not like a flip of a switch. Ebuses are particularly a headache since they take time and automation to help schedule which buses to charge and dispatch. Overall, they'll need a bigger fleet to maintain the current service level as they spend more time charging and deadheading to the routes. The government is great when it comes to buying the buses not terrible when it comes to funding the additional annual resources to keep the buses running. On top of that, these buses can get destroyed in collisions but replacement cost is 2-3 times more than a diesel bus.
Going electric is not like a flip of a switch. Ebuses are particularly a headache since they take time and automation to help schedule which buses to charge and dispatch. Overall, they'll need a bigger fleet to maintain the current service level as they spend more time charging and deadheading to the routes. The government is great when it comes to buying the buses not terrible when it comes to funding the additional annual resources to keep the buses running. On top of that, these buses can get destroyed in collisions but replacement cost is 2-3 times more than a diesel bus.