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Eglinton East LRT | Metrolinx

I'm not doing that, the route does need this.

You haven't made these objections to the other planned and under construction surface LRT lines, and they are no different.

This is a ridiculous and poorly articulated argument.

Which LRTs do you think I endorsed? I don't think you read enough threads here to have a clue what I've said about much.

But if you're going to suggest I'm a hypocrite or have double standards, the first thing you need to do is to point blank Identify, ideally with a quote or quotes, statements I've made that you feel evidence this.
You have not done so, because you have no case.

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Second, you ought to focus your argument on the project at hand. As I have.

I've argued there are better ways to fulfill the same objectives and serve the same people.

I've made that case, on more than one occasion. publicly identifying preferred options that are cheaper and better.
 
Its because there are far better improvements possible for the same money.
Which is true for any grade-seperated line, including Ontario Line, Eglinton Line, Line 4 extension, Line 5 extension, Line 1 extension. Line 2 extension, other Line 5 extension, northern end of Line 10 ...

Which doesn't preclude that sometimes we need to spend the big dollar

So now you're arguing against the LRT............ LOL
Is it an argument? I thought this was mostly a discussion, without pre-ordained immovable black-and-white positions.
 
Which is true for any grade-seperated line, including Ontario Line, Eglinton Line, Line 4 extension, Line 5 extension, Line 1 extension. Line 2 extension, other Line 5 extension, northern end of Line 10 ...

Which doesn't preclude that sometimes we need to spend the big dollar

I didn't argue against spending 'the big dollar'. Posters like you exasperate me............you respond without having even read and understood the post I made, never mind considering it the context of all the previous discussion.

Is it an argument? I thought this was mostly a discussion, without pre-ordained immovable black-and-white positions.

Intelligent discussion is informed, and evidenced. Read the proposed alternatives which I have discussed at length already, more than once, get back to me.
 
Too bad those who always argue for subway never thinks of a LRT line as a city development project. The point was not 100% getting people fastest from one end to another but to improve everything in between. They want to get some midsize development into those parking lots and improve travel between two points of the line.
 
Too bad those who always argue for subway never thinks of a LRT line as a city development project.

About whom are you talking? If you have a critique of a post, make it, clearly, politely, but allow for discussion. This reads as an insult/insinuation/supposition, one with entirely no evidence to support it.

The point was not 100% getting people fastest from one end to another but to improve everything in between.

You can improve the streetscape, and transit without spending the kind of budget envisioned here. I wouldn't propose to spend less, overall, I simply proposed to meet the need differently.

They want to get some midsize development into those parking lots and improve travel between two points of the line.

There are already development proposals up and down this route.
 
Posters like you exasperate me............you respond without having even read and understood the post I made, never mind considering it the context of all the previous discussion.
You need to stop being unacceptably rude with everyone who disagrees with you, or deigns suggest that city staff may not be fully competent or unnecessarily bureaucratic.
 
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There’s so many things that could be done to make this line better.
- Do more work to find a way to interline with Line5. I don’t believe the excuse that the Line2 tunnel is too close. Work can be done to reinforce it like is done everywhere else in the world.
- If it absolutely needs to be a standalone line why is it using at-grade LRT which is equivalent to the existing BRT, as opposed to an elevated Light metro a-la DLR, Canada line, etc..
- The northern leg of the line has a free opportunity to use the originally planned malvern LRT corridor. Elevated and connects STC to centennial college to Malvern in a fast totally grade separated ROW. Right now there’s like 5 stations planned serving nothing but detached houses and strip malls in Malvern and along Sheppard. Part of this is determined by the terminus of the Line4 extension which is a massive planning failure if it goes anywhere other than STC.
- A good connection to the stoufville GO line and Line5 is critical. The comments earlier in the thread about terminating at Eg/Brimley and requiring a third linear transfer to travel along Eg would be laughably bad network planning if it weren’t so scary that someone would even suggest it.

I think it’s very important to get this to STC on the north end. We’re trying to build a central station that can have radial transit out to serve much more of Scarborough. The current plan is transfer central which is a huge hit to ridership.
 
There’s so many things that could be done to make this line better.
- Do more work to find a way to interline with Line5. I don’t believe the excuse that the Line2 tunnel is too close. Work can be done to reinforce it like is done everywhere else in the world.

What you believe is not relevant. What you know is. The basic footprint of Kennedy station, with Line 5 and Line 2 shown, inclusive of extension is public, and on UT, somewhere.....

A Line 5 connection is not happening.

- If it absolutely needs to be a standalone line why is it using at-grade LRT which is equivalent to the existing BRT, as opposed to an elevated Light metro a-la DLR, Canada line, etc..

Because it would cost more?

- The northern leg of the line has a free opportunity to use the originally planned malvern LRT corridor.

What?

Do you mean the original plan for the SRT extension to Malvern using the old Canadian Northern Right-of-Way?

That's completely in the wrong place:

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The white line is old ROW. The EELRT would be arriving from the east via Sheppard, then head up Nielson, (visible in this picture)

Elevated and connects STC to centennial college to Malvern in a fast totally grade separated ROW

Huh? Centennial College is on the south side of the 401. The ROW is not intact down to Centennial, but even if it were, its not a big reach....I don't understand what route you're contemplating.

You want the line to go up Nielson and then down the old ROW?

Like this:

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Note that this alignment would go through a large park that sits on the old ROW, and then is aligned over Progress to avoid buying private property and demo'ing it.

This is about 3.5B including the bridge/tunnel over the 401.

The comments earlier in the thread about terminating at Eg/Brimley and requiring a third linear transfer to travel along Eg would be laughably bad network planning if it weren’t so scary that someone would even suggest it.

You mean my suggestion to terminate it at an infill subway station on the SSE.

As someone in regular touch w/City staff, including some on the EERLT project team............ I can tell you, your view is not widely shared.

I think it’s very important to get this to STC on the north end. We’re trying to build a central station that can have radial transit out to serve much more of Scarborough. The current plan is transfer central which is a huge hit to ridership.

Hold on, now we're going to go from Centennial to STC all in one project? Via Malvern? On whose dime?

That's now an additional 5km. So about 24km all-in.

An elevated interchange with the SSE would involve a very, very long descent to the subway.

A tunnel would need to come in under Highland creek, the descent rate, plus desirable alignment would suggest tunnelling under Progress as preferred.
 
At least part of the Eglinton East LRT would follow part of the former Kingston Road Radial line. Note that the radial line was on its own right-of-way. When they abandoned the radial line, they widened Kingston Road paving over the right-of-way to make for more lanes for the automobile.

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They should post the old Kingston Radial "stop numbers" on the LRT stops along Kingston Road. If we can find historical references to the stop numbers.
 
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Can someone expand on what the funding plan for this project/preliminary timeline is? 2030s? 2040s?

My understanding is that unlike ontario line, the city is pushing for the project, not the province.

Does that mean metrolinx will not be involved in planning and construction? Or will metrolinx be brought on once the line is approved by the city, at some point into the future? Did Olivia chow make this line part of a campaign promise, or is this simply a longstanding city of torono, transit plan.


hopfully someone here has some insed scoop lol
 
Can someone expand on what the funding plan for this project/preliminary timeline is? 2030s? 2040s?

My understanding is that unlike ontario line, the city is pushing for the project, not the province.

Does that mean metrolinx will not be involved in planning and construction? Or will metrolinx be brought on once the line is approved by the city, at some point into the future? Did Olivia chow make this line part of a campaign promise, or is this simply a longstanding city of torono, transit plan.


hopfully someone here has some insed scoop lol
Province isn’t interested in it. City is really pushing for it…even though the study shows a BRT would provide the same service levels at less than half the cost…

Chow did mention during a Q&A after a presser that she’d be open to uploading EglintonEast and Waterfront LRT’s to Metrolinx. I have the video but can’t post to UT (some will claim she never said this).
 
Province isn’t interested in it. City is really pushing for it…even though the study shows a BRT would provide the same service levels at less than half the cost…

Chow did mention during a Q&A after a presser that she’d be open to uploading EglintonEast and Waterfront LRT’s to Metrolinx. I have the video but can’t post to UT (some will claim she never said this).
You can't upload something if the province isn't interested.........
 

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