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[Amare]

Line 5 didn't start running into issues until they started actually digging and building the stations. In other words, the OL has yet to reach a stage where we can say anything meaningful over whether it will do better or worse than Eglinton.

Dont you worry, the Ontario Line issues will crop up once Acciona starts building their section of the line. We'll see how that affects the Yonge subway extension timeline.

 

[TossYourJacket]

Line 5 didn't start running into issues until they started actually digging and building the stations. In other words, the OL has yet to reach a stage where we can say anything meaningful over whether it will do better or worse than Eglinton.

From my understanding, on the OL, the stations are going to begin construction prior to the TBMs making the tunnel, as opposed to building them after the tunnel is finished like was done on Line 5. More like the way Vancouver is building the Broadway Subway (where the TBMs get pushed through the excavated station caverns when they arrive at one, and then resume tunneling). So if there are issues, we should know sooner than we did with Line 5. Hopefully.

 

[nfitz]

Line 5 didn't start running into issues until they started actually digging and building the stations. In other words, the OL has yet to reach a stage where we can say anything meaningful over whether it will do better or worse than Eglinton.

The Crosslinx PPP-like contact to build the stations, energency-exits, etc., wasn't awarded until after the Eglinton tunneling was complete.

For the Ontario Line, the tunnelling is part of the same contract as the stations it's running through.

So not really comparable. And station construction downtown has already been underway for some time. Have any of the TBMs started yet?

 

[generalcanada]

The Crosslinx PPP-like contact to build the stations, energency-exits, etc., wasn't awarded until after the Eglinton tunneling was complete.

For the Ontario Line, the tunnelling is part of the same contract as the stations it's running through.

So not really comparable. And station construction downtown has already been underway for some time. Have any of the TBMs started yet?

Last i heard the tbms wont be launched till mid-late 2025

 

[Sunnyside]

My point was there is little to no chance of the YNSE opening before the OL, given their current respective phases. The OL certainly seems to be progressing much better than the infamous 5.

I won’t pile on too much here, but my point was that there is a chance, and the phasing is the only thing keeping it from happening.

I will say that having the same people do the tunnels and stations for the OL is far less likely to cause obvious problems than splitting it up.

 

[chrisw]

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[fanoftoronto]

Surely the downtown core can't offer a more challenging site for subway construction than the urban jungle of Yonge and Egg.

To be fair, there isn't any underpinning happening for Ontario Line. They're avoiding everything including the Line 1 and any sort of utilities by digging down 35 metres underground.

Added onto the other items have already been mentioned in the thread.

 

[nfitz]

To be fair, there isn't any underpinning happening for Ontario Line. They're avoiding everything including the Line 1 and any sort of utilities by digging down 35 metres underground.

It makes it easier to go underneath buildings too.

 

[belerey]

Is Steeles station why they're going to demolish centerpoint mall? Correct me if I\m wrong, just plans I've heard

 

[innsertnamehere]

Centrepoint has redevelopment plans involving it's demolition unrelated to the subway, as far as I know.

 

[cplchanb]

Centrepoint has redevelopment plans involving it's demolition unrelated to the subway, as far as I know.

yup theyre building condos. hopefully people will buy tho...

 

[belerey]

Ah I see now, after digging through the database a bit more I'm more familiar with these plans now. Doesn't look like there's a lot of progress with centerpoint though.

 

[christiesplits]

How developers will benefit from the Yonge subway route change – and why it’s raising the spectre of the Ford government’s Greenbelt scandal ​

Toronto Star

How developers will benefit from the Yonge subway route change – and why it’s raising the spectre of the Ford government’s Greenbelt scandal

The Premier’s office said the new route, chosen by Metrolinx, is “the best option” to serve the needs of the growing region.

www.thestar.com

The new route, according to an internal assessment of three options, offered the poorest performance for commuters, with the fewest expected riders and lowest travel time savings.

Meanwhile, the government has made a series of moves to make it easier for the developers’ work to proceed, overriding opposition from local governments who said they don’t have the infrastructure to support the proposed 64 new condo towers.

Land records show that since the mid-2000s, that group of development companies had been assembling lands that would become the Bridge station area. By 2021, the firms already owned more than 60 per cent of the land in a 25-hectare area.

These companies all list Angelo De Gasperis as a director. Angelo, alongside his brothers Tony and Fred De Gasperis, founded Condrain in 1954 as a concrete and drainage company which has now developed into a major construction empire based in Concord, Ont.

The De Gasperis-controlled companies Condor and Metrus hired former Progressive Conservative MPP Frank Klees to lobby on their behalf (Klees did not respond to the Star’s questions.). A week before the new route was announced in March 2021, Klees updated his information on Ontario’s lobbyist registry to include a new lobbying goal: to “facilitate and assist” in negotiations with the province to develop a “proposed transit oriented community” on their land.

 

[Northern Light]

How developers will benefit from the Yonge subway route change – and why it’s raising the spectre of the Ford government’s Greenbelt scandal ​

Toronto Star

How developers will benefit from the Yonge subway route change – and why it’s raising the spectre of the Ford government’s Greenbelt scandal

The Premier’s office said the new route, chosen by Metrolinx, is “the best option” to serve the needs of the growing region.

www.thestar.com

Assuming things are too far gone to abandon the inferior route chosen (just like the Ontario Line), I think the De Gasperis family should be legislated to pay any additional costs from the route change and 30 years of revenue shortfalls out of pocket, up front, and/or forfeit any development rights at all on their land for 50 years or surrender it at no cost to taxpayers.

I opposed this re-route from day one, and I remain opposed.

Just as I was with the Ontario Line which reaches places it never should have, and does so overground when it should have been underground........

Just like REM in Montreal, a generational mistake that made a hash of transportation planning in Montreal.

In every case, the proponents, not just corporately, but personally, should forfeit their gains and be responsible to pay the costs to mitigate what they''ve done.

 

[DirectionNorth]

Assuming things are too far gone to abandon the inferior route chosen (just like Ontario Line), I think the De Gasperis family should be legislated to pay any additional costs from the route change and 30 years of revenue shortfalls out of pocket, up front, and/or forfeit any development rights at all on their land for 50 years or surrender it at no cost to taxpayers.

I opposed this re-route from day one, and I remain opposed.

Just as I was with the Ontario Line which reaches places it never should have, and does so overground when it should have been underground........

Just like REM in Montreal, a generational mistake that made a hash of transportation planning in Montreal.

In every case, the proponents, not just corporately, but personally, should forfeit their gains and be responsible to pay the costs to mitigate what they''ve done.

This is the same mistake being made in the Montréal thread. It may be private influence pushing for certain alignments and/or mode choices, but it's the government that has the final word on what does and does not get built.

The solution is stronger politicians and better political culture. Politicians need to take responsibility for their decisions (hope springs eternal), and doing otherwise deflects from the people who "made it happen."