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Roads: Six Points Interchange Reconfiguration (City of Toronto, UC)
Edllguy
Active Member
Awesome! Thank you very much. Never knew it existed!
Granite
New Member
It's worth noting that a less-dense NYCC is a significant step up in walkability, urbanity, and general livability from what was there before.
My experience so far walking in the area is that it's light years ahead of where it was. The Six Points plaza is still quite lively even during covid (before lockdown) and it's a better pedestrian experience than many of the main roads nearby.. and that's as a empty wasteland.
crs1026
Senior Member
I’m not impressed with NYCC - to me, the old 2-storey strip buildings are the ones with the most interesting restaurants and stores, and they are being slowly turned over in favour of sterile towers with higher-rent commercial on the ground floor.
Six Points has at least pencilled in bike lanes and sidewalks, so it’s minimally walkable. Yonge Street from the 401 to Finch is a good example of how to waste a redevelopment opportunity. But it’s a good street to drive along, and that’s my fear for Six Points. We will see.
- Paul
Northern Light
Superstar
NYCC is getting Yonge fixed ~2026'ish with 2 vehicle lanes removed, and separated bike lanes and streetscaped sidewalks added.
But it would have been better had it not been widened to excess to begin with.
And that statement certainly applies to Six Points as well.
In respect of character in NYCC, its just a shame that some of nicer character buildings were completely demolished and/or relocated.
New buildings could have gone around them; and/or done a facadectomy........and left Yonge with a bit more flavour.
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This (Dempsey's Hardware) looks fine, if out of place in a park.......some distance from its original placement.
But it belongs at the corner of Yonge and Sheppard:
from: http://yates.ca/Spring Garden Public School/From Bill Chambers/Yonge Sheppard/
Northern Light
Superstar
As always, posters like @crs1026 cause me to dive down rabbit holes................
He got me wondering what was Six Points like..............before there was the (immediately previous) version of it (the pseudo-highway interchange).....
Well....I found out....
From the above link.........the historic family home of the Wood Family.....demolished to make way for that interchange.
"The Maples" Built 1843, Demolished 1966
Another Wood family home made it to 1973.
The Woodlawn, Built 1890, Demolished sometime on/after 1973.
The latter home is described as being at the south-east of the intersection...........but I think of that as the Westwood cinema which was built 1951........I'm trying to place where that home that survived beyond that was placed.
He got me wondering what was Six Points like..............before there was the (immediately previous) version of it (the pseudo-highway interchange).....
Well....I found out....
The Wood Family
Few of us today would remember that the Six Points intersection - where Dundas, Bloor, and Kipling meet - was once called “Wood’s Corner” after the family that eventually owned land on five of...
www.etobicokehistorical.com
From the above link.........the historic family home of the Wood Family.....demolished to make way for that interchange.
"The Maples" Built 1843, Demolished 1966
Another Wood family home made it to 1973.
The Woodlawn, Built 1890, Demolished sometime on/after 1973.
The latter home is described as being at the south-east of the intersection...........but I think of that as the Westwood cinema which was built 1951........I'm trying to place where that home that survived beyond that was placed.
crs1026
Senior Member
^Now I'm pining for the Islington House....should never have let that one go....
- Paul
- Paul
junctionist
Senior Member
John Tory seemed to be pandering to residents of the suburbs north of the city when he opposed the pedestrian improvements and bike lanes on Yonge Street in NYCC. A lot of local residents in the area were in favour of the changes. I felt that his position didn't protect the city's interests in having safe, lively, and prosperous communities.
sixrings
Senior Member
No matter what this is a vast improvement. Perhaps I have low standards or because I didn’t expect anything to happen here that I think this is fine. It’s not going to be downtown. Sure it could be better. But I agree it’s a lot better then what was there and it’s a dense community by the subway.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Used to be 60 km/h along the roads. Maybe over time they'll reduce the speed limit down to 50 km/h, but the traffic lanes remain to be tailored for 60 km/h. However, speeders will still do 100+ km/h because it was "designed" for the "safety" of the speeders.
Recently, this happened to a 60 km/h street in Mississauga, because the streets were "designed" for the speeders.
https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/two-killed-in-fiery-mississauga-crash
Two killed in fiery Ferrari crash in Mississauga
From link.What good is posting 50 km/h (or 40 km/h) signs on arterial streets, when speeders can still "safety" speed through at 100+ km/h?
sixrings
Senior Member
And a five year old on hurontario street and elm died from a car collision this week.
I understand everything you’re saying. My point though is still that things are far superior to when I was a kid when everything in the suburbs was plazas which weren’t walkable at all. We can always strive for better. My point is this is at least better than what was there.
Tim MacDonald
Senior Member
No, Burnhamthorpe was never designed for 100km/h. While cars and may have become better engineered with more driver safety enhancements, physics will always win at a certain speed. I drove by here yesterday, coincidentally on my way to six points, just after the crash. There was no "somehow lost control." He was effing flying through that stretch. You can open it right up from the traffic light at Creditview and if the light at Credit Woodlands is green (most likely) you'll be at takeoff speed before even hitting the bridge. In a Ferrari, with temps below 7 like it was yesterday morning at that hour, those tires are going to be a problem (Hello Lambo crash on Major Mack a three years ago) No speed limit and no car on the road today would have saved this driver at the speed they were travelling.
I remember when Kipling dropped from 60 to 50 back in 1989. Didn't really make a difference. At least when it was 60 you could always count on radar at Tyre ave southbound and sometimes Mattice road north bound.
I agree with sixrings that 6points now is better than what was there. I grew up with what was there and it was a mess from a movability standpoint, period. Didn't matter if you were on two feet, two wheels, or four wheels.
drum118
Superstar
And this is a 2 lane road in both direction compare to the freeway at 6 point that has 60km on Dundas. The biggest mistake made for this area was not have 4 lanes at 50 km.
Until speed is 100% enforced, better remove the speed sign, yield and stop signs. Then what good are red lights when driver drive through them when next to no traffic on the road as well turning on a red without stopping.
Once all this area is develop, Dundas will still be a bitch like it has been since the 60's.
Cities are supposed to be for people, but traffic planners like building roads like 6 point as traffic is more important than people.
Transportfan
Senior Member
Walkable streets in cities have long coexisted with cars. It's only recently that it's become all the rage to claim cars ruin streets.
sche
Active Member
How many lively, pleasant, walkable streets can you name that also happen to be 6+ lane 60km/h arterial roads with turn lanes at intersections?
After you complete that exercise, how many lively, pleasant, walkable intersections can you find between 4-6+ lane 60km/h arterials with turn lanes?
After you complete that, how many lively, pleasant, walkable neighborhoods can you find with *three* 4-6+ lane 60km/h arterials with turn lanes and 3 intersections between them, all within 400m of each other?