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Toronto Police Service Reformation

picard102 said:
Not sure cars and horses are an impediment to hiring more officers.


If the goal is to have officers on every corner, then we'd want many more officers.
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Let‘s start with people seeing one, just one officer on their feet who‘s not on paid duty (human traffic cone) walking the neighbourhood. That’s something we never see.
 
NYC has cops all the time in tourist areas and then has national security issues.

That's why they have so many cops
 
Admiral Beez said:
Let‘s start with people seeing one, just one officer on their feet who‘s not on paid duty (human traffic cone) walking the neighbourhood. That’s something we never see.
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Because we don't have the number of officers or budget of cities that do have the numbers required to do that.
NYC has a budget of 8 billion
London is 5 billion

We're way off being able to support the level of service where officers are walking beats on every street.
 
picard102 said:
Because we don't have the number of officers or budget of cities that do have the numbers required to do that.
NYC has a budget of 8 billion
London is 5 billion

We're way off being able to support the level of service where officers are walking beats on every street.
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Direct comparisons between jurisdictions can be tricky. A better measure is budget in comparison with the ability of the tax base to afford or per capita (which I didn't bother to research). Toronto population is ~6.2Mn; New York - ~8.Mn, London - ~9Mn.

London's budget ($9.5Bn CAD by my calculation but whatever) does not include the City of London which is another $227Mn CAD. Also, New York, as is typical in the US, is a bouillabaisse of law enforcement agencies, including NY-NJ Port Authority Police, MTA Bridge &Tunnel Police, AG Investigations, etc.
 
In the US, "good cop" gets "stripped of his badge and placed on administrative leave after he blew the whistle on the cover-up of the murder of a man who was tortured to death by his colleagues".

https://www.facebook.com/anonews.co/posts/3858465147498349

Good Cop Stripped Of Badge For Whistle-blowing Horrific Brutality Covered Up

See link.

For five months, the video was hidden while the officers who killed Lurry were cleared of any wrongdoing getting away with murder backed by the police Dept according to Esqueda. That was until the hero cop acted gaining unauthorized access to the video from the Will-Grundy Major Crimes Task Force releasing it to CBS2.

However, Esqueada noticed something odd with the tape it was edited and the sound was missing.
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“It was almost like the supervisor looks off and says something to somebody, and then you hear the sound cut out,” Esqueda added. “That’s what alerted me that possibly, they were trying to get rid of evidence.”

“There had to be” a deliberate attempt to remove the audio, he added. “There’s no way that can happen.”

Esqueda knew that he faced retaliation from his superiors but he did it because he knew that the family would never get justice if he didn’t, adding that he didn’t want to be apart of the problem. Esqueda also spoke about the George Floyd police murder stating he was appalled by it and cried.
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W. K. Lis said:
In the US, "good cop" gets "stripped of his badge and placed on administrative leave after he blew the whistle on the cover-up of the murder of a man who was tortured to death by his colleagues".

https://www.facebook.com/anonews.co/posts/3858465147498349

Good Cop Stripped Of Badge For Whistle-blowing Horrific Brutality Covered Up

See link.
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What's even more disturbing than the actual crime is that the higher-ups in this police department tried not only to cover it up, but also punish the cop who had the moral conviction to bring this to the public's attention. The entire administration who knew of this and protected the murderers should be fired and thrown in jail immediately.
 
Towered said:
What's even more disturbing than the actual crime is that the higher-ups in this police department tried not only to cover it up, but also punish the cop who had the moral conviction to bring this to the public's attention. The entire administration who knew of this and protected the murderers should be fired and thrown in jail immediately.
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Well, the blue wall of silence strikes again.

AoD
 
tiffer24 said:
New survey shows more than two thirds of Ontarians think police treat Black and Indigenous people worse than others, poll finds. A staggering 90 per cent of respondents believe all Ontario officers should have mandatory body cameras
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Did they also ask these same people who they believed committed the majority of violent crime, shootings and murder in the city too? Didn't we just have a bunch of shootings in the past 24-48 hours including a drive by in a parking lot that injured 5 random people? And this is on top of the historic recording breaking 220+ shootings to date that we've already had in the city. Gee I can't imagine why people would develop different perceptions of different people? That's called HUMAN NATURE.

When people commit consistently commit crime and violence, don't you think you're eventually going to develop some bias towards people whether you like it or not? Its like if you had two neighbors and one treated you nice and was friendly to you all the time and the other neighbor constantly treated you like crap even though you tried to be nice to them, would you not think over time you would like one neighbor more than the other and treat one better than the other?

Do you not think its normal to treat someone better who treats you better? Maybe we should be looking at how different individuals behave and why they might be treated differently rather than blaming it all on supposedly disliking someone's skin color.

I'm in agreement for body cams though. Get every officer one and make sure they have it on for every incident so that hopefully there's less misunderstandings and more evidence to provide context for incidents instead of having the mob get angry everytime something happens. Its almost like these protesters want cops to behave like in the video below all the time. Namely don't defend themselves no matter what because they fear of the potential backlash that might bring. So instead take the beating dished out by the suspect and have them try and take your gun and still don't retaliate.

 
Max Sterling said:
When people commit consistently commit crime and violence, don't you think you're eventually going to develop some bias towards people whether you like it or not? Its like if you had two neighbors and one treated you nice and was friendly to you all the time and the other neighbor constantly treated you like crap even though you tried to be nice to them, would you not think over time you would like one neighbor more than the other and treat one better than the other?
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Yes, but you‘re doing the right thing in this example, judging the neighbour by their own behaviour. No problem there. But if you said, anyone else who looks like my neighbour must also be trouble or suspect, that’s stereotyping.
 
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